Let's take a look back at all the sneak dissing Biggie did aimed at Pac on LAD

[Billy Ocean]

Most of that shyt u naming is from ONE song..when did Pac ever threaten violence on Biggie outside of a rap?..ACTUALLY..he said he didn't wanna take it there wit Biggie...main thing outside of rap he did was fukk Faith..in which Faith was just as much as guilty as Pac and Biggie himself drove her away with all the cheating and woman beating he was doin...Cube threatened violence on his No Vaseline track..u think they wouldn't have cared if he got killed?..Nas and Jay threatened violence on they diss tracks..Jay fukked Nas' Babymoms..u think Nas wanted him dead?..nikka Biggie was fukked up fam..no other way around it..nikkas say outlandish shyt during battles all the time..yet nikkas wanna single Pac out?...Pac even spoke on this as well..how everybody acted like he was the first to release a vicious diss track..50 had years of street beef wit nikkas he clowned after death..and 50 is a fukkin psychotic sociopath...u wanna go that route?...no matter how u slice it..shyt was a punk ass fukked up move on Biggie's part...nikkas was still salty bout Pac's death and this nikka runnin around still sneak dissin him and expect shyt to be cool?..yet nikkas wanna blame Pac for Biggies death but it was 30% Biggie's arrogance mixed with 70% Diddy's griminess that got him killed...

Spliz, you a ill poster and I like debating sh!t with you but you bugging. NO RAPPER EVER WAS AS DISRESPECTFUL TO ANOTHER RAPPER THAN PAC WAS TOWARDS BIGGIE. Not Nas/Jay. Not Cube/NWA. Sh!t was unprecedented levels of disrespect. It wasn't just kept on songs either. You want to go Google or Youtube search how many times Pac sh!tted on BIG in interviews? He was sh!tting on Biggie even when the conversation wasn't about Biggie. And it wasn't just on Hit Em Up. He had several tracks and interviews threatening violence against Big. Source interviews and all. He even threw lil slick sh!t like having Big killed in videos like the beginning of the "Two of America's Most Wanted " video. No other rapper had their manhood tested like Biggie did AND BIG DIDN'T EVEN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PAC BEING ROBBED.

 

[spliz]

Spliz, you a ill poster and I like debating sh!t with you but you bugging. NO RAPPER EVER WAS AS DISRESPECTFUL TO ANOTHER RAPPER THAN PAC WAS TOWARDS BIGGIE. Not Nas/Jay. Not Cube/NWA. Sh!t was unprecedented levels of disrespect. It wasn't just kept on songs either. You want to go Google or Youtube search how many times Pac sh!tted on BIG in interviews? He was sh!tting on Biggie even when the conversation wasn't about Biggie. And it wasn't just on Hit Em Up. He had several tracks and interviews threatening violence against Big. Source interviews and all. He even threw lil slick sh!t like having Big killed in videos like the beginning of the "Two of America's Most Wanted " video. No other rapper had their manhood tested like Biggie did AND BIG DIDN'T EVEN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PAC BEING ROBBED.

Son u serious?..most disrespect?..Ice Cube basically called all them nikkas c00ns..and threatened violence...Jay Z fukked Nas' real life Baby Moms..he talked about leaving condoms on his babyseat...all over some petty rap shyt..shyt..Pac got SHOT UP by nikkas Biggie was affiliated wit...and went straight to an NY prison after to hear all about shyt...Cube got his ass whooped and robbed by Cypress Hill..insulted manhood?..Cam disrespected Nas' DEAD MOTHER and said he would molest his underage daughter...threatened violence as well...Nas shytted on Jay..threatened violence...insinuated Jay was fukkin underage Foxy...made fun of his trail for his stabbing..clowned his manhood..called him gay...said he was so ass he took the blame for a crime he didn't do..called him a dikkrider..went in interviews and showed more disrespect...u talkin all that shyt about Pac being the most disrespectful...when PAC was the main one who had atleast had his life almost taken outside of rap...having to sort all that shyt out..mixed wit everything else going on at the time...and we ain't even gonna talk about how much disrespect was between 50 and Ja Rule..shyt Ja Rule called Eminems daughter mother and wife all sluts and drug addicts...There was physical shyt goin on in some of these beefs..Pac never laid hands on Biggie..and I'm pretty sure if he wanted to..he would've...cause he had no problem doin that type of shyt...as his history shows..

 

[Knicksman20]

Spliz, you a ill poster and I like debating sh!t with you but you bugging. NO RAPPER EVER WAS AS DISRESPECTFUL TO ANOTHER RAPPER THAN PAC WAS TOWARDS BIGGIE. Not Nas/Jay. Not Cube/NWA. Sh!t was unprecedented levels of disrespect. It wasn't just kept on songs either. You want to go Google or Youtube search how many times Pac sh!tted on BIG in interviews? He was sh!tting on Biggie even when the conversation wasn't about Biggie. And it wasn't just on Hit Em Up. He had several tracks and interviews threatening violence against Big. Source interviews and all. He even threw lil slick sh!t like having Big killed in videos like the beginning of the "Two of America's Most Wanted " video. No other rapper had their manhood tested like Biggie did AND BIG DIDN'T EVEN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PAC BEING ROBBED.

Very true. @spliz Fam, you seem passionate about this & that's cool but it's almost like you're rewriting history Bruh. A lot of us lived through this era & what @Billy Ocean just said is the 100% truth. The beef between those 2 was unprecedented back then & the level of disrespect Pac showed Big at every chance he could was unheard for the time. Even now if someone were to go at another person the way Pac did Big they'd be lucky if the repercussions were a few subliminal tracks/bars or just getting stomped out.

 

[spliz]

Very true. @spliz Fam, you seem passionate about this & that's cool but it's almost like you're rewriting history Bruh. A lot of us lived through this era & what @Billy Ocean just said is the 100% truth. The beef between those 2 was unprecedented back then & the level of disrespect Pac showed Big at every chance he could was unheard for the time. Even now if someone were to go at another person the way Pac did Big they'd be lucky if the repercussions were a few subliminal tracks/bars or just getting stomped out.

I lived thru it too..that's what I'm saying..he said no one in history till this date..and I'm making examples of nikkas being disrespect damn near on the level..and how nikkas would feel if nikkas died in the midst of it...let's get this shyt clear..if Biggie went and got Pac stomped out while Pac was alive..I wouldn't be sayin shyt..cause not everyone takes that disrespect the same way..BUT..MY problem is him waiting till AFTER Pac was gone to throw the shots and subliminals..nikka treated that shyt like an inside joke...u also NEVER seen a rapper die in the magnitude of Pac's death at the time..so for this nikka to KEEP the shyt goin AFTER he saw what happened to Pac was far worse imo..cause regardless..Pac ain't want Biggie dead..but it seemed like Biggie was legit HAPPY Pac was gone and basically braggin bout the shyt...ain't no comin back from death fam...throwin salt on a wound like that..THEN turnin around takin yo ass back to LA after all the fukk shyt?..come the fukk on..nikka was dead..shyt was over with..the nikka didn't keep it humble after Pac's death..and Diddy put the battery in his back as well which lead to us losing 2 greats instead of one...I can damn near guarantee that if BIGGIE died first...Pac would've switched his stance and been riding FOR Biggie cause he would've seen shyt go too far..trust me I lived thru the shyt as well..I remember exactly what I was doin when both of em died..as clear as yesterday...

 

[Knicksman20]

I lived thru it too..that's what I'm saying..he said no one in history till this date..and I'm making examples of nikkas being disrespect damn near on the level..and how nikkas would feel if nikkas died in the midst of it...let's get this shyt clear..if Biggie went and got Pac stomped out while Pac was alive..I wouldn't be sayin shyt..cause not everyone takes that disrespect the same way..BUT..MY problem is him waiting till AFTER Pac was gone to throw the shots and subliminals..nikka treated that shyt like an inside joke...u also NEVER seen a rapper die in the magnitude of Pac's death at the time..so for this nikka to KEEP the shyt goin AFTER he saw what happened to Pac was far worse imo..cause regardless..Pac ain't want Biggie dead..but it seemed like Biggie was legit HAPPY Pac was gone and basically braggin bout the shyt...ain't no comin back from death fam...throwin salt on a wound like that..THEN turnin around takin yo ass back to LA after all the fukk shyt?..come the fukk on..nikka was dead..shyt was over with..the nikka didn't keep it humble after Pac's death..and Diddy put the battery in his back as well which lead to us losing 2 greats instead of one...I can damn near guarantee that if BIGGIE died first...Pac would've switched his stance and been riding FOR Biggie cause he would've seen shyt go too far..trust me I lived thru the shyt as well..I remember exactly what I was doin when both of em died..as clear as yesterday...

I understand where you're coming from but how would you feel personally if one of your nikkas disrespected you & said you were involved in a situation you had nothing to do with that got your friend cased up? Then says he eff'ed your wifey (and you're sure he did) when you were going through problems with her, goes to people you network with/coworkers or your job & starts ishing on you any chance he gets? Let's say this starts affecting your livelihood & goes on for over a year? How would YOU feel if this person was killed while the beef was still cooking?

And remember, Big was recording LAD from 95 on so a lot of that material was recorded when Pac was alive. It wasn't like he waited till his death to say those things. Big died in early March & the album was just about done.

 

[spliz]

I understand where you're coming from but how would you feel personally if one of your nikkas disrespected you & said you were involved in a situation you had nothing to do with that got your friend cased up? Then says he eff'ed your wifey (and you're sure he did) when you were going through problems with her, goes to people you network with/coworkers or your job & starts ishing on you any chance he gets? Let's say this starts affecting your livelihood & goes on for over a year? How would YOU feel if this person was killed while the beef was still cooking?

And remember, Big was recording LAD from 95 on so a lot of that material was recorded when Pac was alive. It wasn't like he waited till his death to say those things. Big died in early March & the album was just about done.

I'm not talkin bout the album recordings..I'm talkin bout him goin on radio stations n shyt like that...spittin subliminal disses..AFTER Pac died...I'm talking about Biggie's personal actions after Pac's death..and if I had a homie doing all of that..and I felt HE was wrong..I would've approached that nikka like a man..and let's not act like Pac was some nikka that hid and wasn't approachable..he's always approached nikkas when he felt disrespected by them...how come Biggie didn't do the same thing?..it was punk shyt fam..y'all talkin bout most nikkas would do this and that..yea..most nikkas woulda got at him while he was alive if they felt that disrespected...Biggie lowkey treated Pac's death like some kind of victory...or relief..

 

[Billy Ocean]

I understand where you're coming from but how would you feel personally if one of your nikkas disrespected you & said you were involved in a situation you had nothing to do with that got your friend cased up? Then says he eff'ed your wifey (and you're sure he did) when you were going through problems with her, goes to people you network with/coworkers or your job & starts ishing on you any chance he gets? Let's say this starts affecting your livelihood & goes on for over a year? How would YOU feel if this person was killed while the beef was still cooking?

And remember, Big was recording LAD from 95 on so a lot of that material was recorded when Pac was alive. It wasn't like he waited till his death to say those things. Big died in early March & the album was just about done.

Absolutely. You basically articulated what I've been trying to tell @spliz. When Pac died BIG still had to feel some type of way. LAD dropped a few months after Pac passed and that sh!t Pac was doing was still fresh in BIG's mind. And like you said, most that sh!t was recorded when Pac was alive. I do kind of see what you are saying @spliz with the hip hop beef disrespect thing but because of the elements surrounding it, the Pac/Big beef thing was way more serious than any other beef before or after it. Pac going ahead and literally going ape-sh!t on biggie was the crux of one of the Top 3 most transformative periods in hip hop history.

Also let me point out again...Pac KNEW Biggie didn't have anything to do with being robbed and shot in Quad. And Pac was told by Biggie NOT to fvck with those dudes. And lastly...Pac continued his venomous attacks on BIG just to stuff his and his puppet masters pocket (Suge). Big having A FEW SUBLIMINAL lines aimed at Pac on LAD does not equate to what Pac did only a mere few months before that album dropped.

 

[HARLEM AL]

SIKE..and u wanna talk replay value when it comes to Pac vs Big?..like Pac ain't got more timeless songs?..ya buggin..u could put Pac on a song NOW and he won't sound dated..even wit rhymes from like 93-94...same shyt can't be said for Biggie...his shyt sounds like the time frame which is dope but when it comes to TIMELESS sound..Pac's delivery epitome of timeless..

Albums nikka... PAC replay in albums aren't better.

 

[HARLEM AL]

I get it..u don't like Pac..Pac came out his OWN mouth and said he knew Biggie didn't do it and EXPLAINED why he got at Biggie..he even went as far as NAMED the nikkas who did set him up...ain't ZERO rapper today u can compare Pac to..especially not no fukkin game..and I'm not being delusional at all...

nikka you the only nikka that's delusional.

You still my nikka though

 

[Billy Ocean]

nikka you the only nikka that's delusional.

You still my nikka though

Lol

 

[scuba]

So let me get this straight...

Biggie and Pac are cool peoples
Biggie warns Pac not to hang with certain dudes
Pac gets robbed because of those dudes
Pac blames Biggie for either setting him up or not notifying him the day and time of the incident
Pac fukks Biggies wife
Pac makes a song about fukking Biggies wife
Pac makes a bunch of interviews about Biggie, fukking his wife, etc
Biggie tries to downplay it as not that serious saying Pac is playing it up for attention
Pac dies
Biggie feels some type of way

really if you look at it dispassionately most you can really say negative from biggie is he let pac bytch him out...
most you can really say negative about pac is he got himself in trouble, blamed the wrong people, fukked his friends wife, and then used the fukked up situation to make money

 

[Billy Ocean]

So let me get this straight...

Biggie and Pac are cool peoples
Biggie warns Pac not to hang with certain dudes
Pac gets robbed because of those dudes
Pac blames Biggie for either setting him up or not notifying him the day and time of the incident
Pac fukks Biggies wife
Pac makes a song about fukking Biggies wife
Pac makes a bunch of interviews about Biggie, fukking his wife, etc
Biggie tries to downplay it as not that serious saying Pac is playing it up for attention
Pac dies
Biggie feels some type of way

really if you look at it dispassionately most you can really say negative from biggie is he let pac bytch him out...
most you can really say negative about pac is he got himself in trouble, blamed the wrong people, fukked his friends wife, and then used the fukked up situation to make money

Basically. @scuba, you ain't never lied

And I got love for Pac, but I don't let that blind me to the wild sh!t he was doing the months that led up to his death.

 

[HARLEM AL]

So let me get this straight...

Biggie and Pac are cool peoples
Biggie warns Pac not to hang with certain dudes
Pac gets robbed because of those dudes
Pac blames Biggie for either setting him up or not notifying him the day and time of the incident
Pac fukks Biggies wife
Pac makes a song about fukking Biggies wife
Pac makes a bunch of interviews about Biggie, fukking his wife, etc
Biggie tries to downplay it as not that serious saying Pac is playing it up for attention
Pac dies
Biggie feels some type of way

really if you look at it dispassionately most you can really say negative from biggie is he let pac bytch him out...
most you can really say negative about pac is he got himself in trouble, blamed the wrong people, fukked his friends wife, and then used the fukked up situation to make money

Oh this ether right here is stronger than a mothafukka.

I fukk with PAC music. But like lil Wayne, 50, jay and drake nikkas get delusional when talking about them.

 

[spliz]

Albums nikka... PAC replay in albums aren't better.

That's retarded being that Biggie had only 2 Albums to choose from...Me Against The World and RTD are bout equal as far as I'm concerned..Pac had the BETTER double album with All Eyez On Me...Makaveli is a classic album as well...Pac made 2 albums in one year that basically compete with Biggie's discography...then u got his other albums that have classic joints on them..post death shyt like R U Still Down...Pac had FAR more material to compare..shyt simply isn't even fair to Biggie honestly..

 

[spliz]

nikka you the only nikka that's delusional.

You still my nikka though

Lol..nah man I just feel Biggie was on some coward shyt..that's the main point I'm making..not a Pac was right Biggie was wrong game...I feel Biggie shoulda came at him while he was alive...