Leftwing facists pepper spray 8 year old girl

[Nomad1]

@JahFocus CS was the actions of those leftist guys in the OP Progressive ?

 

[Llcoolbay]

Getting Spooky around here

Cacs popping up everywhere

Presidential thread finna go 3x Plat with c00ns, Cacs and all

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

no link is needed, Fascism is collectivism in nature (its unifying force is nationalism) and is rooted out of Marxism (creating a utopia), emphasized state governments, etc

Stick to dikkriding Pac and stay out of HL.

 

[yeyeye]

left wing fascist , be retarded brehs.

 

[The American]

OP a fakkit. Too many cacs showin up here in this election year

It's alright tho, we're gonna have yall 4 lunch when trump loses

 

[Nomad1]

Stick to dikkriding Pac and stay out of HL.

i swear yall nikkas are dumbasses. Why don't you at least try to dispute it?

 

[Nomad1]

left wing fascist , be retarded brehs.

Left-wing fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

in the OP isn't progressive, it's fascism. You're the retarded one.

 

[Nomad1]

It's sad that I'm going to have to take time to address this silliness but if no one has dispelled your ahistorical nonsense by tomorrow evening, I will do it when I get home from work tomorrow, @Nomad1.

You aren't entitled to your own facts. It is common knowledge that fascism is a right-wing ideology. It has a specific meaning and it develops under specific social and political circumstances.

Funny how none disputed it. HL yall

 

[5n0man]

Funny how none disputed it. HL yall

this nikka is ethering yall nikkas lol. posting links and shyt while you nikkas just hurl insults with nothing to back it up.

i didnt even know left wing facism existed till now, will one of the brehs prove this man wrong?

 

[Nomad1]

this nikka is ethering yall nikkas lol. posting links and shyt while you nikkas just hurl insults with nothing to back it up.

i didnt even know left wing facism existed till now, will one of the brehs prove this man wrong?

The first person to use "Left-wing fascism" was a Liberal Progressive called HG Wells, in 1932 during his speech in Oxford. He favoured fascism like many other Liberal Progressives of the past (because it was rooted from Marxism). They think Fascism is synonymous to things like Hitlerism, hence their reason in attacking me with ad-hominems

 

[yeyeye]

this nikka is ethering yall nikkas lol. posting links and shyt while you nikkas just hurl insults with nothing to back it up.

i didnt even know left wing facism existed till now, will one of the brehs prove this man wrong?

Noone's bothered because it's an oxymoron. He's confusing authoritarianism with fascism. Authoritarianism can be observed in extremes of both left wing and right wings politics but nationalism is a fundamental element to fascism. You can't be a left wing fascist because they're polar opposites.

 

[5n0man]

Noone's bothered because it's an oxymoron. He's confusing authoritarianism with fascism. Authoritarianism can be observed in extremes of both left wing and right wings politics but nationalism is a fundamental element to fascism. You can't be a left wing fascist because they're polar opposites.

prove that to him then.

 

[Nomad1]

Noone's bothered because it's an oxymoron. He's confusing authoritarianism with fascism. Authoritarianism can be observed in extremes of both left wing and right wings politics but nationalism is a fundamental element to fascism. You can't be a left wing fascist because they're polar opposites.

It's not an Oxymoron, Fascism presented a utopia and shared the same ideological space as Communism, Trotsky has said it was a "right-wing socialism", Liberal Progressives (most notably H G Wells) have said Fascism is a Leftist ideology which many have praised for its collectivism (through Nationalism) and state capitalism. Many Liberal progressives have even praised Mussolini's Fascist policies.

So it debunks your argument that im confusing it with authoritarianism, when Liberals have explicitly coined and supported fascism;
“I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic...I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti" HG Wells.

"Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made [in Italy], an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.” Charles Beard

 

[Deutsche Bank]

Boy howdy, I hope the RNC allows motherfukkers to pack guns to the convention. Or fools just bring em anyway and leave em in the car.

Leftist shytbirds and nitwits come around and start wigging out, crackers pop that goddamn trunk and kick off the second civil war. Then once the herd is thinned a bit, the black president can declare martial law and lock everyone in FEMA camps.

 

[JahFocus CS]

I'll go through each of your posts, even though you basically repeated yourself like 8 times (repetition doesn't make something true) and quoted me unnecessarily like 4 times.

"A genus of political ideology who's mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist nationalism", historically fascism has been an ideology for social rebirth, an ideology that combines different classes (mass movement). It shares the same ideological space as communism, thus making it a left-wing ideology. Schools dont teach children that well that's why you and many others think it's a right-wing ideology.

See above.

You are trying to link fascism and communism in a way that exposes your ignorance about communism. I'll put aside in this argument the valiant fights by communists against fascists throughout history (against the Iberian fascists, Mussolini, Nazi Germany, and throughout Latin America in the 50s-80s) and the suppression of unions, working-class organizations, and leftist parties under all fascist regimes and deal strictly with your definitional and logical shortcomings.

Populist nationalism, an ideology of national rebirth, and an effort to erase class conflict are all key elements of fascism. Fascists do not propose to erase class conflict through the abolition of classes, but rather, through an ideology which holds that 1) societies "naturally" divide into classes, and that those at the bottom belong there, and 2) oppressed classes should accept their positions and society and engage in class collaborationism by subjugating their interests and sacrificing for the nation-state (and in essence, therefore, for the ruling class). This is literally the polar opposite of communism, which demands the abolition of class society; identifies the state as an instrument of class rule and the nation as a bourgeois ideological fiction to facilitate and cover the rule of the ruling class; and supports the establishment of a stateless, classless society.

Im not making anything up you clown, historically Fascism has been a left-wing ideology. Historians who specialize on Fascism (like Emilio Gentile) have said that Fascism was initially a mass movement that combined different classes, had a mission of national regeneration, seeks a monopoly of power by using terror, etc. And many Liberals were advocates of Mussolini's Fascist policies in Italy. Fascism was a historical competitor to Communism (another left-wing ideology), both movements were created after ww1 as utopian visions;

"The American historian, Edward R. Tannenbaum, has recently completed an article on "The Goals of Italian Fascism."'2 He represents fascism in its beginnings as a "revolutionary alternative to Marxism rather than a mindless reaction against it. The founders of the Fascist movement in March 1919 were almost all former revolutionary socialist"

See above.

See above (communism is not about class collaboration and "combin[ing] different classes").

Your post is just word vomit. If you're trying to create analytically useful characteristics and categories and not obscure reality, please explain how your talk of "utopian visions" and "monopoly of power by using terror" provide any insight into the fundamental similarities between fascism and communism? What state in existence does not have police and a military, and doesn't claim the exclusive right to use violence within arbitrary lines drawn on a map? Who doesn't claim or seek a "monopoly of power by using terror?" You can certainly apply that "seeks a monopoly of power by using terror" to the status quo political-economic institutions in the world. That's how they got it and maintain it.

Communism was not "created after WW1 as [a] utopian vision"

So Tannenbaum "represents fascism in its beginnings as a 'revolutionary alternative to Marxism'" -- that is to say, NOT Marxism, and nothing in there implies or evidences fascism is of a leftist orientation.

Now, one thing you are onto is that many fascists were former socialists. Walter Benjamin once observed that behind every instance of fascism was a failed [socialist] revolution. If you look at all the places where fascism rose to power -- Germany, Italy, Latin America (and especially in the case of Germany, where a failed revolution immediately preceded the rise of the Nazis, and Italy) -- these were places where an organized, militant working-class began posing the question of power in society. Places where a working-class revolution was a serious prospect. Fascism is the bourgeois state with its back against the wall, when the facade of bourgeois democracy falls away when the rule of capitalists is threatened. Social conformity, the merging of business and the state, and the intolerance for working-class militancy, all pursued and achieved through naked force and ultranationalism & xenophobia. Little wonder then that when the contradictions of capitalism reach their height and the working-class poses the question of power, fascism surges to co-opt the language and imagery of revolution and direct it in a non-socialist direction.

Trying to say that fascism and communism are in essence closely related because prominent fascists were formerly socialists/communists is about as legitimate as saying that neoconservatism and communism are in essence closely related because prominent neocons were former Trotskyists. Which is it say, it isn't legitimate at all, and is disingenuous at best and woefully ignorant at worst.

no link is needed, Fascism is collectivism in nature (its unifying force is nationalism) and is rooted out of Marxism (creating a utopia), emphasized state governments, etc

See above, this is just nonsense. Throwing out "collectivism" as a characteristic is not useful for analysis in itself. Collectivism to what ends? And Marxism doesn't have much to do with "creating a utopia;" in fact, if you've read any Marx at all, you'll know that he wrote in opposition to the utopian socialists and instead analyzed society (how labor becomes socialized under capitalism and the material forces of society are developed in comparison to feudalism), the class conflict that animates capitalism, and how the working class can liberate itself from exploitation by abolishing capitalism and thereby abolishing class society. The utopian socialists proposed and understood no real mechanisms of reaching socialism. Marx elucidated that capitalism creates the conditions for it to be a possibility since it creates a class whose liberation depends on its establishment.

And you should look at work done by Chris Hedges, Emilio Gentile, Roger Eatwell, etc who all look at the history of Fascism, and have debated the definition of the word too.
Do that before you try to act like you know what you're talking about.

Or perhaps you should read any of these, and/or even check out The Anatomy of Fascism by Robert Paxton. I even linked you to the full book, see how interested I am in helping you begin to know what you're talking about?

Naw you aint gonna dispel shyt. Scholars who have studied the history of Fascism have attested to what im saying, and my initial definition ("A genus of political ideology who's mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist nationalism") came from one of the historians I named above.

See above.

The first person to use "Left-wing fascism" was a Liberal Progressive called HG Wells, in 1932 during his speech in Oxford. He favoured fascism like many other Liberal Progressives of the past (because it was rooted from Marxism). They think Fascism is synonymous to things like Hitlerism, hence their reason in attacking me with ad-hominems

I believe you linked to Left-wing fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia earlier in the thread. It plainly states:

"Syntagmas such as left-wing fascism provide shorthand labels, but they lack any scientific precision, not the least due to the broad meaning of each of the components. Considering the general classification of fascism as being on the far right, crossovers may be expected according to the extremes meet theory (French: Les extrêmes se touchent). The touching point between the far left and the far right may be the use of power and/or political terrorism."
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So not only does the term and others like it lack scientific precision (which, as is evident from your previous posts, isn't a concern of yours), it falls back on a silly theory that basically exalts the golden mean fallacy.

@ liberal progressives being rooted in Marxism, this is simply not true because they support capitalism -- perhaps welfare capitalism of some sort, but that has very little to do with Marxism and is certainly not communism.

It's not an Oxymoron, Fascism presented a utopia and shared the same ideological space as Communism, Trotsky has said it was a "right-wing socialism", Liberal Progressives (most notably H G Wells) have said Fascism is a Leftist ideology which many have praised for its collectivism (through Nationalism) and state capitalism. Many Liberal progressives have even praised Mussolini's Fascist policies.

So it debunks your argument that im confusing it with authoritarianism, when Liberals have explicitly coined and supported fascism;
“I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic...I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti" HG Wells.

"Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made [in Italy], an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.” Charles Beard

You're out here cherrypicking quotes with no sources and no context, so I don't think any of this warrants much of a response. See what I said earlier about your repeated claims about fascism and communism occupying "the same ideological space."

Now...

This "fascism is left-wing" nonsense -- I don't wanna hear about this ever again. Not even when you tell me that you were better off keeping quiet.

This thread can be thrown into the Bushes now where it belonged from the jump.