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Only Jordan Dikkriders think it’s even close
Only Jordan Dikkriders think it’s even close
LeBron's Laker run and its impact on his GOAT candidacy...
- Thread starter murksiderock
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Nah yall can't have it both ways. It sounds like *you* disagree, but LWO as a collective are notorious for the, "rings are what matter here", you guys and Celtics fans created that standard....
So if thats the standard, Baylor failing to win a ring matters. Otherwise, your own argument works against you. Whats the bar of demarcation for ring count? One isn't enough for Bron, so is it also not enough for Wilt, is Baylor over Wilt as a Laker? What about 2, is that the bar? 3?
I give Baylor a ton of props for being one if the greatest "walk in the door" players ever, he was awesome from Day One. He actually had a pretty lengthy prime, around 11 years, but in that prime he was 0-4 in Finals, 4-2 in the Division Finals. He was 0-3 as a #1, that ZERO is a big number that also affects his historic placement at large compared to other guys....
A bunch of 1-title guys are considered ahead of him historically: Jokic, Giannis, Dirk, Garnett, Mo, West, O...
Karl Malone is generally considered the greatest player with no rings, but Baylor is right after him. Baylor gets his respect, but you want this to work differently in Laker hierarchy?
Its not simply that though, as great as he was, to your point he was a #2 to West. 1963-64 was the transition year, by 1964-65 it was clear West was the best player on the team. When you're lining up Lakers and their run of accomplishments, I think you also gotta weigh how long these guys were #1...
The counter argument will get made ridiculously that LeBron has never been the Lakers best player or some stupid shyt that minimizes his run as their best player. But I also think in terms of context, while Baylor's NBA was stacked, again its better today...
Baylor gets his flowers, there're a lot of guys with *multiple* titles who are viewed as historically inferior to him: Robinson, Wade, Hondo, Pippen, Zeke, Kawhi, Pettit...
So this isn't a shyt on Baylor thing. But the golden trifecta of Lakers who spent their whole careers there and won a title there are West, Magic, and Kobe...
Neither Shaq nor Kareem were lifelong Lakers, but their impact as Lakers resonated stronger...
He's at best #6 Laker all time as currently stands, if you wanna make the case ge's still over Bron, I disagree, but I hear you. I think Bron as of now, has a case as #6 as well, amd playing in a stronger, more advanced era, winning a title, and winning it as a #1, puts him over Baylor...
But I hear you!
I am, but I'm admittedly fairweather. I didn't care about the Lakers again until Bron got here...
But I spent part of my childhood in South Central, went to Weemes Elementary blocks away from USC. When I first got into sports, the very first team I rooted for in basketball, was the Lakers. My very first "favorite player", was Kobe Bryant. As a kid living in the Brims in South Central...
So I'm not a diehard but neither are 95% of the Laker heads on here, and neither are half the Laker heads in real life. But I always been real with that and I have real emotional history to the franchise, so when I choose to root for em.........it's because I started here with em.
"Legit chip"every team had the same chance to win that title that year. The funny thing is if they didn't win it that year yall would be knocking him for it too, yall want it both ways...
ONCE AGAIN.. THE BUBBLE RING IS NICE N ALL, BUT IT DOESNT MAKE UP FOR ALL THE OTHER UNDERWHELMING SEASONS IN LA
LAKERS ARE ABOUT DYNASTIES.. THIS DUDE GOT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF HELP WHILE HERE N FAILED EVERY TIME OUTSIDE OF COVID YEAR
AND EVEN IN THAT YEAR, AD LED THE TEAM IN EVERY STATISTICAL CATEGORY OUTSIDE OF ASSISTS
U NOT GUNA FOOL US WIT INDIVIDUAL STATS N LONGEVITY ACCOLADES
THIS LEAGUE ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE ABOUT WINNING
THAT SAID, I LIKE WHAT IM SEEIN FROM HIM LATELY. HOPE HE CAN KEEP IT UP FOR WHEN IT COUNTS.
NOT BELITTLING ANYTHING
BUT THERE WAS NO WAY WE DONT WIN THAT YEAR WIT HOW EVERYTHING WENT DOWN
STILL, THAT DOESNT MAKE UP FOR THE CIRCUS WE HAD TO ENDURE FOLLOWING THAT SEASON
AND NOW HE HAS LUKA... SO THINGS ARE STARTING TO LOOK UP
BUT LEADING UP TO THE TRADE, THE TEAM WAS A DISASTER DURING HIS TENURE MORE TIMES THAN NOT
murksiderock
Superstar
"The bubble ring"
Everybody had the same chance to go out and win the title "in the bubble"
if he didn't win it you'd be here talking about how he's never won it...The crazy thing is yall place standards on him like he was young and in his peak when he got here...
etrofllenrod504
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This the shyt that’s hilarious, Bron gets every type of of standard thrown at him
Guess we gonna disregard MJ cause Pippen damn sure was a top 75 all time player.
Diondon
Thanks to the lawyers uh, I marbled the foyer
This the shyt that’s hilarious, Bron gets every type of of standard thrown at him
Scottie Pippen - Chicago Bulls Small Forward | StatMuse
Scottie Pippen played 17 seasons for the Bulls, Trail Blazers and Rockets. He averaged 16.1 points, 6.4 rebounds and 5.2 assists in 1,178 regular-season games. He was selected to play in 7 All-Star games, and won 6 NBA championships. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2010.
"The bubble ring"
Everybody had the same chance to go out and win the title "in the bubble"
The crazy thing is yall place standards on him like he was young and in his peak when he got here...
BUBBLE RING OR NOT, ONE N DONE WIT A BUNCH OF DISAPPOINTMENTS BEFORE AND AFTER IS NOT A SUCCESS IN LOS ANGELES
MAYBE THAT SHIITS COOL IN CLEVELAND, BUT THIS FRANCHISE HAS EXPECTATIONS THAT NEED TO BE MET IF U WANT TO BE HELD TO A TOP TIER STANDARD
HE'S GOING TO BE HELD TO A STANDARD CONSIDERING YOU FANBOYS ONLY PUT THAT WHOLE GOAT TALK INTO OVERDRIVE DURING HIS LA TENURE
SO SHOULD WE HOLD HIM TO THAT STANDARD OR SHOULD WE CUT HIM SOME SLACK SINCE HE'S OLDER NOW?
CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
Mods can really prove they not bias, fair and have honor/integrity if they actually did some things in here from the last couple of pages
24 black mambas
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This @Sccit bytch is hilarious. Instead of watching and appreciating the fact that the greatest athlete of all time is playing on his favorite team, he’s been hate watching the Lakers for the last 7 years and getting happy when Bron has a bad a game. Fakeass fan, get your whiny, low IQ, inbred, zero aura, ugly af ass outta our fanbase. Go play in traffic, you waste of oxygen.
Scottie Pippen - Chicago Bulls Small Forward | StatMuse
Scottie Pippen played 17 seasons for the Bulls, Trail Blazers and Rockets. He averaged 16.1 points, 6.4 rebounds and 5.2 assists in 1,178 regular-season games. He was selected to play in 7 All-Star games, and won 6 NBA championships. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2010.www.statmuse.com
Pippen 1994 | StatMuse
Scottie Pippen averaged 22.0 points, 8.7 rebounds and 5.6 assists in 72 games in 1993-94. He was selected to play in his fourth All-Star games.
These dudes don’t know Lakers history or NBA history. They just know about Bron. That’s it.
the majority of people in the real world respect lebron's accolades and greatness. thecoli is a safe space for bron hating weirdos and doesn't reflect the real world of people who like the sport of bball lol.
he's definitely not a disappointment. he brought lakeshow a banner as the #1 (although hes never had a #1 coach or club like the other goats he's compared to). he won a title as #1 for every team he played on. he's warming up to the idea of being 1b to luka's 1a. hope luka re-signs and keeps it going. kobe got a lot of strife is his last year or so because the lakers had no future beyond him. steph said the same thing a few weeks ago.
bron's laker run doesn't help or hurt his goat candidacy imo. he probably would have won another title anyway. he would have broken all the records he did anyway. that he did it in the iconic lakers uniform doesn't really matter imo. he's still the goat of this generation no matter where he accomplished those feats.
he's definitely not a disappointment. he brought lakeshow a banner as the #1 (although hes never had a #1 coach or club like the other goats he's compared to). he won a title as #1 for every team he played on. he's warming up to the idea of being 1b to luka's 1a. hope luka re-signs and keeps it going. kobe got a lot of strife is his last year or so because the lakers had no future beyond him. steph said the same thing a few weeks ago.
bron's laker run doesn't help or hurt his goat candidacy imo. he probably would have won another title anyway. he would have broken all the records he did anyway. that he did it in the iconic lakers uniform doesn't really matter imo. he's still the goat of this generation no matter where he accomplished those feats.
Hacksaw Jim Thuggin
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you mean the Lakers....right?He'll need to win 2 more for me to entertain the conversation
he aint Tiger Woods breh...he not out there alone
Smitty Belafonte
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We just going to ignore the week long disappearance then he comes back playing like he’s 25?
