Lebron was ready to kill Kyrie

[Gus Money]

That wasn't that bad. Him yelling at a Chalmers was worse.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

the stats support ever I just said

lebron + love looks great

lebron + kyrie loos great

kyrie + Love is ehh

no kyrie, Love and lebron beast again today

 

[MJ Truth]

Kyrie didn't ask for this shyt

Kyrie was leading them to sub thirty win seasons and number one draft picks, he wasn't in a position for anyone to give a fukk if he was asking for something.

 

[Ziggiy]

This matters a lot.


I'm still ready to consider Jordan the best all-time. But there's this one nagging issue. The 1993-1994 Chicago Bulls.

How does your team replace you with a guy who probably shouldn't even be in the NBA (Delly would have beaten Myers for a roster spot), and yet still win 55 games?


That's what makes me wonder if MJ is really the best ever, or just an incredibly good, all-time top-10 player who happened to end up in the perfect coaching/roster situation.

Did they win the Championship without Jordan

 

[THOT CATALOG]

Kyrie is Jamal crawford 2.0

Have him come off the bench or trade him to another team for a real pg + spare parts. Bledsoe + Booker?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Did they win the Championship without Jordan

Did I say Jordan was meaningless?


Of COURSE the Bulls weren't as good when they lost Jordan right before the season and had literally no one to replace him with.

Championship teams fall off when they lose 1 all-star, not to mention losing the best player in the league.

I'm just pointing out that they gave his spot in the starting lineup to a guy who couldn't even stay in the NBA, and still won 55 games the next year.

The question isn't whether Jordan mattered to the Bulls (obviously he did), or whether he's an all-time great (he is top-10 all-time), but whether his status of "Greatest Ever!" isn't partially due to the fact that the other Bulls were a much better team than they get credit for.


Hell, that one poster saying I should log off for even mentioning this fact shows how Nike's "aura of Jordan" gets overplayed so bad. When even mentioning that someone's team still got 55 wins without him gets people telling you to shut up with no discussion at all....you get the idea.

 

[Supercoolmayo]

Kyrie is Jamal crawford 2.0

Have him come off the bench or trade him to another team for a real pg + spare parts. Bledsoe + Booker?

Cavs should try to upgrade and get Dion Waiters

They will prob have to give up some draft pics too

 

[fifth column]

Did I say Jordan was meaningless?


Of COURSE the Bulls weren't as good when they lost Jordan right before the season and had literally no one to replace him with.

Championship teams fall off when they lose 1 all-star, not to mention losing the best player in the league.

I'm just pointing out that they gave his spot in the starting lineup to a guy who couldn't even stay in the NBA, and still won 55 games the next year.

The question isn't whether Jordan mattered to the Bulls (obviously he did), or whether he's an all-time great (he is top-10 all-time), but whether his status of "Greatest Ever!" isn't partially due to the fact that the other Bulls were a much better team than they get credit for.


Hell, that one poster saying I should log off for even mentioning this fact shows how Nike's "aura of Jordan" gets overplayed so bad. When even mentioning that someone's team still got 55 wins without him gets people telling you to shut up with no discussion at all....you get the idea.

How did they do the 2nd year without MJ if they were so great

 

[Biscayne]

Yeah, the Chalmers yell was a thousand times worse.

 

[Fade Runner 2049]

All that top player ever marketing is just that: marketing. In a free flowing sport with substitutions and playing both ends and so many different coaching strategies and a league that constantly changes and evolves, nobody is ever really put in the same position so they can be judged fairly amongst their peers. When Chicago was getting smacked around by Boston and Detroit, was that mike's fault? The Bulls won 55 games with him retiring on the eve of the year. Was that the Ewing theory in effect for one season, or was the team that good and their competition just bad? Really the only sports I see where it works is hockey where Gretzky is just so comically ahead of everyone else (if you take away every goal he ever scored he's still the all time leader in points scored), and maybe baseball since it's so much a numbers game with individual play dominating a turn based sport. It's only real purpose in basketball or football is to sell product.

It's really not ALL OF THAT you just typed, or that deep. Cheese Eyes is the goat as it stands today, maybe someone will surpass him in the future but it ain't Bron so stop for him