Lebron really looks old now
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i dont see why not. Steph won a ring with Wiggins as the second best player. in 2021, he played at a higher level than he did in his Unanimous season. Who says he can't win 1 more ring with AD?
Trojan 24
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a team with 4 HOFERS and a FMVP off the bench is ass?
Meanwhile AD and Bron are hooping with Gabe Vincent, D'angelo Russell and Cam Reddish
Steph won a chip with washed Klay, Dray, Jordan Poole and Wiggins
Actually won a chip, none of this carried them thru the scrub east and got washed in the Finals shyt
He beat Jokic with uber drivers (no Murray, KCP, and MPJ), Ja fukking Morant, and Luka on his doloSteph won a chip with washed Klay, Dray, Jordan Poole and Wiggins
Actually won a chip, none of this carried them thru the scrub east and got washed in the Finals shyt
In the playoffs--
Wiggins averaged 17/8, clamped Luka and outplayed Tatum
Poole averaged 17 and shot 50% from the field
Klay averaged 19 and shot 40% from three
Dray averaged 8/7/6.
That's a superteam to me
yes. The pieces around that team had Quinn Cook, Washed Andrew Bogut (final year in the league), Alfonzo McKinnie, Jonas Jerebko (final year in the league), Damion Lee, and Damian Jonesa team with 4 HOFERS and a FMVP off the bench is ass?
Meanwhile AD and Bron are hooping with Gabe Vincent, D'angelo Russell and Cam Reddish
Iguodala being the FMVP was nonsense. I'm not even gonna get into that. Steoh got injured for 13 games early in that season. Klay, KD, and Draymond were all healthy. They went 5-8. Why because, they had to rely on those trash pieces, or run KD and Klay into the ground to get wins.
Just because the pieces on that team were fukking garbage doesn't mean the pieces the Lakers have now aren't. I'm simply saying that switching out AD for Draymond would make the Warriors SUBSTANTIALLY better. They'd be clear contenders if they put AD next to Steph. But you have ppl itt acting like AD and Draymond are the same player. Clearly not the case.
If current Lebron and AD had those versions of Klay, Draymond, Iggy and trash they would be much better off than they are now. If AD and prime Bron (because Steph and KD were in their primes) had Klay, Draymond, and Iggy they would be the best team in the league.
Nobody is seriously comparing AD to Draymond.. But LBJ has played like 6 more seasons than Steph so you should probably factor that in to your hypothetical. Is current AD + year 22 Steph and the collection of bums the Lakers have winning anything?
easily one of the most incredible runs. Outside of the Nuggets, Steph beat a 50+win team every round and never faced elimination. And that was because Steph is steph.He beat Jokic with uber drivers (no Murray, KCP, and MPJ), Ja fukking Morant, and Luka on his dolo
In the playoffs--
Wiggins averaged 17/8, clamped Luka and outplayed Tatum
Poole averaged 17 and shot 50% from the field
Klay averaged 19 and shot 40% from three
Dray averaged 8/7/6.
That's a superteam to me
nikka u said "no KCP" like he was even on that team. Might as well have said "No Giannis"
and Wiggins didn't "clamp" luka. Thats nonsense. Also no way Klay shot 40% from three on that run. He was very hot and cold throughout that run. No one on that squad besides Steph and Poole could get a shot off on their own. And Poole's defense was so bad that his minutes decreased every round.
Can you imagine someone winning a chip in this era without having another 20ppg shot creator on the team? Steph had to average 34ppg to beat the Celtics in 6. Thats almost 2x what wiggins (their next leading scorer) averaged. No superteam needs that big a difference between option 1 and 2 One game away from a 3-1 deficit, so he put up 43 on the road.
The 2022 warriors chip is probably the biggest carry job since Tim Duncan's 2003 championship. U can look at the numbers for the 2003 Spurs and say the same thing, but if you watched that run, it was clearly MVP Duncan doing all he could to win that chip
Trojan 24
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He beat Jokic with uber drivers (no Murray, KCP, and MPJ), Ja fukking Morant, and Luka on his dolo
In the playoffs--
Wiggins averaged 17/8, clamped Luka and outplayed Tatum
Poole averaged 17 and shot 50% from the field
Klay averaged 19 and shot 40% from three
Dray averaged 8/7/6.
That's a superteam to me
Put Bron on the Dubs and he woulda traded all of them for AD to start the season
Im not so sure. LeBron hasnt been good this season
Klay shot 39% from 3 on 9 3PAeasily one of the most incredible runs. Outside of the Nuggets, Steph beat a 50+win team every round and never faced elimination. And that was because Steph is steph.
nikka u said "no KCP" like he was even on that team. Might as well have said "No Giannis"
and Wiggins didn't "clamp" luka. Thats nonsense. Also no way Klay shot 40% from three on that run. He was very hot and cold throughout that run. No one on that squad besides Steph and Poole could get a shot off on their own. And Poole's defense was so bad that his minutes decreased every round.
Can you imagine someone winning a chip in this era without having another 20ppg shot creator on the team? Steph had to average 34ppg to beat the Celtics in 6. One game away from a 3-1 deficit, so he put up 43 on the road.
The 2022 warriors chip is probably the biggest carry job since Tim Duncan's 2003 championship. U can look at the numbers for the 2003 Spurs and say the same thing, but if you watched that run, it was clearly MVP Duncan doing all he could to win that chip
The Celtics were the only legitimate team they faced and Steph went nuclear but they also won off the strength of their defense
2022 was one of the worst seasons in recent memory for the Western conference. The Warriors took advantage of a weak field-- injured Nuggets, super young immature Grizzlies team that hasn't sniffed the second round since, and a young Luka with Spencer Dinwiddie as his third best player. The Warriors had the better team in every one of those matchups.
lol that's some hater shyt
he played the MVP
he played a 56-win grizzlies team that went 18-2 without their Star player in the reg season (warriors were blowing the grizzlies out before he got injured also btw)
He played Luka doncic coming off a historic beatdown of a 64-win suns team that was in the finals the year before
Sure the warriors played great defense, but what team is winning with one guy who is 34 years old with a good defense? Steph is the only guy who can get that done
IDK what to tell u about the nuggets. They were who they were, a 6 seed. Bron didn't make the playoffs, Harden was in the east, and Kawhi was injured as he always is.
The grizzlies havent been to the second round because they have been injured. 1, youre using the troubles the grizzlies had in 2023 and 2024 to dictate the success of their 2022 season. In 2023, they lost Steven Adams. It's a huge reason why Ja's PnR game wasn't very good in the playoffs. So really it has only been 1 season since they lost in the conf semi finals.
You could say that Luka's run was fraudulent by that logic. Beat a Clippers team w/o Kawhi, beat a young OKC team, and then beat a timberwolves team that isnt very good this year.
Are u gonna say that this year? Warriors and Lakers dont look that good, Harden is by himself on the clippers, the 1 seed and 2 seed are both young teams, the grizzlies are a young team. We can play this game every year, you see
And let's not forget, the last time the west was a gauntlet was in 2015. Seeds 1-7 were all 50-win teams or better. And guess what, the warriors made it to the finals and won the chip that year. Hell, what you described is the same as the Lakers 2020 championship. They played: a play-in 8 seed that originally wasn't the 8 seed by the time the reg season games ended, the Harden and Westbrook Rockets, and the Denver Nuggets in their 2nd playoff stint. Then a 4 seed Miami team where Tyler Herro is their third best guy.
Ya'll are doing the same by comparing 2024 Poole, Wiggins, Klay, and Dray to their 2022 counterparts, ignoring just how effective they were in that playoffslol that's some hater shyt
he played the MVP
he played a 56-win grizzlies team that went 18-2 without their Star player in the reg season (warriors were blowing the grizzlies out before he got injured also btw)
He played Luka doncic coming off a historic beatdown of a 64-win suns team that was in the finals the year before
Sure the warriors played great defense, but what team is winning with one guy who is 34 years old with a good defense? Steph is the only guy who can get that done
IDK what to tell u about the nuggets. They were who they were, a 6 seed. Bron didn't make the playoffs, Harden was in the east, and Kawhi was injured as he always is.
The grizzlies havent been to the second round because they have been injured. 1, youre using the troubles the grizzlies had in 2023 and 2024 to dictate the success of their 2022 season. In 2023, they lost Steven Adams. It's a huge reason why Ja's PnR game wasn't very good in the playoffs. So really it has only been 1 season since they lost in the conf semi finals.
You could say that Luka's run was fraudulent by that logic. Beat a Clippers team w/o Kawhi, beat a young OKC team, and then beat a timberwolves team that isnt very good this year.
Are u gonna say that this year? Warriors and Lakers dont look that good, Harden is by himself on the clippers, the 1 seed and 2 seed are both young teams, the grizzlies are a young team. We can play this game every year, you see
And let's not forget, the last time the west was a gauntlet was in 2015. Seeds 1-7 were all 50-win teams or better. And guess what, the warriors made it to the finals and won the chip that year.
The Grizzlies struggled against a mediocre Timberwolves team in the first round and had an injury to Ja in the second round. On top of that, they were a young team without any playoff experience led by a 3rd year point guard. They weren't a great team man.
The 2021 Jazz won at a 60 win pace and lost in the second round. Were they great? Everyone knows that team wasn't shyt. Ditto for the 2018 Raptors that won 60 games. There are plenty of teams in NBA history that overachieved in the regular season but have certain qualities to them that lend itself to playoff failure.
22 year old Luka had Spencer Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney Smith as two of his most important teammates. If what Steph was doing was a carry job, what would you call that?
The Celtics were a great team. Sure, they got even better over the years but in 2022 they were a legitimate championship level squad. Nobody in real-time saw the Grizzlies, Mavs, and hospital Nuggets as contenders.
Dray is the heart and soul of your team. You know if that nikka wasn’t there your wouldn’t br in play in contention like yall will be this year. Nobody comparing the two. Go read the post I replied to before u come in here talking crazy.
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Roger king
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Strongly agree, he beat a denver team with no role players with only jokic as the credible threat and an inexperienced boston celtics team with young players, wiggins was playing the best of his career, draymond was playing great defense and poole was a huge contributor. If anything that warrios team is close to a borderline super team than an average team, alot of good players and tough defense anchor by greenHe beat Jokic with uber drivers (no Murray, KCP, and MPJ), Ja fukking Morant, and Luka on his dolo
In the playoffs--
Wiggins averaged 17/8, clamped Luka and outplayed Tatum
Poole averaged 17 and shot 50% from the field
Klay averaged 19 and shot 40% from three
Dray averaged 8/7/6.
That's a superteam to me