"LeBron James has ruined the NBA. He is the anti-jordan" - RobParker

[MalikX]

They wouldn't have to. They were drafted to play with Shaquille O'Neal and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, in MJ's case he eventually got Pippen to develop and he almost left Chicago for the Knicks. Kobe wanted Bynum traded for Jason Kidd and was demanding trades after Shaq left because he didn't have adequate talent. You fake ass basketball historians kill me.

LeBron played with trash for 8 years and took them places that only a player of his caliber could take them. fukk is he supposed to do keep carrying trash? Goofy, you obviously don't watch basketball like that.

Who the fukk had Wade over LeBron or was saying he was as good? In the 2010 free agency, LeBron was the prize dumb ass nikka only a Wade stan would think some shyt like that. What does it matter who he joined when other nikkas played with HoF'ers like your boy Kobe who literally played with the best player in the league and arguably G.O.A.T. peak player en route to 3 chips, LeBron put the power in players hands. c00n ass nikkas can't seem to understand that.

You just killed your own credibility because there was DEFINITELY talk about whose team it was in 2010-11 and who was the best player on the Heat. And I will up news articles and videos if you try to deny it LeBron mailed in his performance at the 2011 Finals because his shots werent falling and Wade was making him look like a sidekick. Stop tryna change history. We were all there. We saw it

 

[blackzeus]

Wrong.

The biggest difference is what they left behind.
If Lebron has his own top 5 teammate there's ZERO chance he leaves. Cleveland failed to get Lebron a running mate. If Lebron has Westbrook he don't leave.

Lebron didn't go to the team he couldn't beat
Lebron didn't go to the team he just blew a 3-1 lead to
Lebron didn't go to a team with a 2 time MVP
Lebron didn't go to a team with the best regular season Record of all time.

It ain't the same. Stop.

They already had Pierce, and Rondo was never down with that f*ckboy fan sh*t. D-Rose didn't want his azz in Chicago neither. Wade was the only one who would have his azz, now go on

 

[ISO]

You just killed your own credibility because there was DEFINITELY talk about whose team it was in 2010-11 and who was the best player on the Heat. And I will up news articles and videos if you try to deny it LeBron mailed in his performance at the 2011 Finals because his shots werent falling and Wade was making him look like a sidekick. Stop tryna change history. We were all there. We saw it

We not even talking about the same time frame goofy

In 2008 when LeBron won Scoring Title, 2009 and 2010 when LeBron James won MVP, when LeBron was taking his teams to 60+ wins, when he became a free agent at the same time as Wade and people dubbed that free agency period as "the summer of LeBron", nobody thought Wade was better. In this time frame debates were Kobe Bryant vs. LeBron James.

When he joined the Heat people questioned how it would work in crunch time with two ball dominant slashers like Wade and LeBron I remember this vividly, and they did the whole take turns thing it was controversy, yeah people argued over whose team it was and the argument for Wade was that it was his franchise, Wade outplayed James in the Finals as LeBron famously underperformed. In the conference Finals, Wade was third fiddle to LeBron and Bosh. LeBron had a top 3 MVP finish in 2011, he outplayed Wade in the RS and first three playoff rounds and from that Finals was on he was undisputably the man.

 

[MalikX]

Bron Stans interpretation of history: "It was always Bron's team. Bron was always the best. Anyone who thought otherwise was stupid."

How it really went down then: "Who is going to lead the Heat team? How are both of these players going to co-exist? How will they decide who is going to close the game in the finals minutes? Will egos get in the way? LeBron is the two-time MVP and in some people's eyes is the best player in the world, even better than Kobe Bryant. But Dwayne Wade already has a ring and is made for the big moments, maybe he's the better person to do that?"

Bron stans stay twisting and manipulating history. It's sickening

 

[ISO]

Bron Stans interpretation of history: "It was always Bron's team. Bron was always the best. Anyone who thought otherwise was stupid."

How it really went down then: "Who is going to lead the Heat team? How are both of these players going to co-exist? How will they decide who is going to close the game in the finals minutes? Will egos get in the way? LeBron is the two-time MVP and in some people's eyes is the best player in the world, even better than Kobe Bryant. But Dwayne Wade already has a ring and is made for the big moments, maybe he's the better person to do that?"

Bron stans stay twisting and manipulating history. It's sickening

Who is saying this didn't happen. I literally just said all that in my post. Regardless of the "whose team is it" debates, LeBron was always widely thought of as the superior player. Really my nikka?


Whose team is it and who should shoulder the load down the stretch is different than being considered the most valuable player in the league. Dumb asses really dapping that bullshyt?

 

[MalikX]

Who is saying this didn't happen. I literally just said all that in my post. Regardless of the "whose team is it" debates, LeBron was always widely thought of as the superior player. Really my nikka?


Whose team is it and who should shoulder the load down the stretch is different than being considered the most valuable player in the league. Dumb asses really dapping that bullshyt?

Stop changing up history then. You taking how people feel about LeBron as a player in 2017 and applying it retroactively to 2010. The way we argue about Kobe & LeBron today.....people used to add Wade to those convos back in late 2000s. Especially after that 2009 season. Who's the best player, Kobe, Wade or Bron? There's hundreds of threads like that back on SOHH/The IC (Carmelo used to be a part of this argument too before people realized he was a loser). You trying to make it seem like it was unanimous that Bron was better than Wade when it was definitely still an argument when Miami first formed. Remember, Wade had a ring and LeBron had a bunch of losses at that point

After the Mavs loss, Wade fully took a step back and let LeBron take over as the leader of the squad and then all the constant injuries conflated people's perception of Wade's history as a player. People thought of him as the older broken down player when a few years earlier he was PEER to Kobe and LeBron. How can you go from being seen as a PEER in 2009 to no one questioning who would lead the team in 2010? Doesn't make too much sense does it

 

[GoldenGlove]

Parker called it... said this series wasn't going to be shyt. His argument in the OP is 100% facts too.

 

[MalikX]

LeBron James stats (2008, 2009 & 2010)
29.4ppg (.492%fg), .331% 3PT, .753 FT, 7.6rebs, 7.7ast, 1.7stl, 1.1blks

Dwayne Wade stats (2008, 2009 & 2010)
27.5ppg (.481%fg), .306% 3PT, .762 FT, 4.8rebs, 7.0ast, 1.9stl, 1.1blks

Kobe Bryant stats (2008, 2009 & 2010)
27.4ppg (.461%fg), .349% 3PT, .836% FT, 5.6rebs, 5.1ast, 1.6stl, 0.4blks


These muthafukkas was neck and neck back then...all we argued about was Kobe, Wade & LeBron.

I swear nikkas get injured and muthafukkas act like they never existed

It would be like if Kawhi Leonard and Russell Westbrook teamed up today. Of course people would be asking who's going to lead the team Nobody would just assume that Kawhi would take over.....it would be a hot topic like it was with Bron & Wade.

 

[ISO]

Stop changing up history then. You taking how people feel about LeBron as a player in 2017 and applying it retroactively to 2010. The way we argue about Kobe & LeBron today.....people used to add Wade to those convos back in late 2000s. Especially after that 2009 season. Who's the best player, Kobe, Wade or Bron? There's hundreds of threads like that back on SOHH/The IC (Carmelo used to be a part of this argument too before people realized he was a loser). You trying to make it seem like it was unanimous that Bron was better than Wade when it was definitely still an argument when Miami first formed. Remember, Wade had a ring and LeBron had a bunch of losses at that point

After the Mavs loss, Wade fully took a step back and let LeBron take over as the leader of the squad and then all the constant injuries muddled people's perception of Wade's history as a player. People thought of him as the older broken down player when a few years earlier he was PEER to Kobe and LeBron. How can you go from being seen as a PEER in 2009 to no one questioning who would lead the team in 2010? Doesn't make too much sense does it

My nikka its simple the most prized free agent in 2010 was LeBron James how am I changing up history, the two time MVP was LeBron James, yes there were arguments CP3 was in those convos around my way as well that '09 season was crazy for individual players. But MOST people believed LeBron James was a better player than Dwyane Wade and the MAIN argument was LeBron James vs. Kobe Bryant fueled by the Nike MVP Puppets campaign. LeBron was considered the most impactful player in the league at that point. In Miami people wasn't arguing about who was better LeBron or Wade, it was about whose team is it two very different things.

The argument you're making for Wade is rings? Wade won the ring but we won't even get into the questionable officiating in the series and him having a better supporting cast in '06 than LeBron did in his Finals trip the year after. On an individual level, based on talent LeBron was a notch above Wade. No knock on Wade.

 

[MalikX]

My nikka its simple the most prized free agent in 2010 was LeBron James how am I changing up history, the two time MVP was LeBron James, yes there were arguments CP3 was in those convos around my way as well that '09 season was crazy for individual players. But MOST people believed LeBron James was a better player than Dwyane Wade and the MAIN argument was LeBron James vs. Kobe Bryant fueled by the Nike MVP Puppets campaign. LeBron was considered the most impactful player in the league at that point. In Miami people wasn't arguing about who was better LeBron or Wade, it was about whose team is it two very different things.

The argument you're making for Wade is rings? Wade won the ring but we won't even get into the questionable officiating in the series and him having a better supporting cast in '06 than LeBron did in his Finals trip the year after. On an individual level, based on talent LeBron was a notch above Wade. No knock on Wade.

I remember differently.

On SOHH, there was definitely a Kobe faction, a LeBron faction and a Wade faction. They were all seen as peers back then. Kobe was looked at as the most decorated player with the most career success. LeBron was looked at like the possible heir to the throne but, was a playoff loser. And Wade was the dark horse that wasn't as popular but, he had the ring that LeBron failed to get and stats that proved he belonged in the conversation.

27.4ppg (.461%fg), .349% 3PT, .836% FT, 5.6rebs, 5.1ast, 1.6stl, 0.4blks
27.5ppg (.481%fg), .306% 3PT, .762 FT, 4.8rebs, 7.0ast, 1.9stl, 1.1blks
29.4ppg (.492%fg), .331% 3PT, .753 FT, 7.6rebs, 7.7ast, 1.7stl, 1.1blks

These were all three players statlines back then (2008 - 2010).

Now if you wanna say the media slurped LeBron and was trying to prematurely compare him to Jordan and crown him as the best, then yea, that's true. The Cavs had the best record and they were trying to drum up ratings for the Lakers-Cavaliers showdown that never happened. That's the media though. As far as us fans, nah. The stats just don't support this narrative that Wade wasn't right there with them. He was.

 

[ISO]

I remember differently.

On SOHH, there was definitely a Kobe faction, a LeBron faction and a Wade faction. They were all seen as peers back then. Kobe was looked at as the most decorated player with the most career success. LeBron was looked at like the possible heir to the throne but, was a playoff loser. And Wade was the dark horse that wasn't as popular but, he had the ring that LeBron failed to get and stats that proved he belonged in the conversation.

27.4ppg (.461%fg), .349% 3PT, .836% FT, 5.6rebs, 5.1ast, 1.6stl, 0.4blks
27.5ppg (.481%fg), .306% 3PT, .762 FT, 4.8rebs, 7.0ast, 1.9stl, 1.1blks
29.4ppg (.492%fg), .331% 3PT, .753 FT, 7.6rebs, 7.7ast, 1.7stl, 1.1blks

These were all three players statlines back then (2008 - 2010).

Now if you wanna say the media slurped LeBron and was trying to prematurely compare him to Jordan and crown him as the best, then yea, that's true. The Cavs had the best record and they were trying to drum up ratings for the Lakers-Cavaliers showdown that never happened. That's the media though. As far as us fans, nah. The stats just don't support this narrative that Wade wasn't right there with them. He was.

Dog, I don't give a fukk about SOHH or "factions" of stans online. Have you seen the discussions and threads made on this very forum by "fans"? The very stats your posting show that LeBron was better than Wade across the board. The accolades and victories show he was better than Wade in that time period. Look at their H2H matchups from their rookie years into their primes, LeBron won more of those match-ups and put up bigger numbers. Why are you talking about the "conversation". Who was better period, who was considered to be better by a vast majority of people that was LeBron. It wasn't just the media all 30 front offices in the NBA would take LeBron James over Dwyane Wade, he was the prize that summer for a reason. You seem offended like I said Wade wasn't elite, he was, he just wasn't better than LeBron, no matter how much "SOHH factions" of stans argued it.

 

[MalikX]

Dog, I don't give a fukk about SOHH or "factions" of stans online. Have you seen the discussions and threads made on this very forum by "fans"? The very stats your posting show that LeBron was better than Wade across the board. The accolades and victories show he was better than Wade in that time period. Look at their H2H matchups from their rookie years into their primes, LeBron won more of those match-ups and put up bigger numbers. Why are you talking about the "conversation". Who was better period, who was considered to be better by a vast majority of people that was LeBron. It wasn't just the media all 30 front offices in the NBA would take LeBron James over Dwyane Wade, he was the prize that summer for a reason. You seem offended like I said Wade wasn't elite, he was, he just wasn't better than LeBron, no matter how much "SOHH factions" of stans argued it.

Those same stats ALSO show that Wade had better numbers than Kobe yet, people still thought Kobe was better than LeBron back then and still do today

Those numbers are too close to be saying anybody is better than anybody. Because like I said.........IT WAS STILL AN ARGUMENT.

And I don't give a fukk about you mentioning the media when they been slurping that nikka since 2003. I'm talking about what people (like you and me) were saying. You thinking LeBron was better than Wade in 2010 was an OPINION. It was not FACT yet. It was very much an argument then. And the more you try to argue about it shows you were not seriously into sports back then or you're just a major Bron stan. You blatantly trying to rewrite history. Next you gonna tell me that Carmelo wasn't once a part of that conversation too.

You don't gotta quote me no more bruh....you too disingenuous to think objectively about the past and how things actually happened.

 

[ISO]

Those same stats ALSO show that Wade had better numbers than Kobe yet, people still thought Kobe was better than LeBron back then and still do today

Those numbers are too close to be saying anybody is better than anybody. Because like I said.........IT WAS STILL AN ARGUMENT.

And I don't give a fukk about you mentioning the media when they been slurping that nikka since 2003. I'm talking about what people (like you and me) were saying. You thinking LeBron was better than Wade in 2010 was an OPINION. It was not FACT yet. It was very much an argument then. And the more you try to argue about it shows you were not seriously into sports back then or you're just a major Bron stan. You blatantly trying to rewrite history. Next you gonna tell me that Carmelo wasn't once a part of that conversation too.

You don't gotta quote me no more bruh....you too disingenuous to think objectively about the past and how things actually happened.

It's long been widely accepted that LeBron surpassed Kobe as best player in the A and LeBron been undisputed best player in the league for some years now even today most people still have him as the best in the world. If you're talking All-Time, its still a debate for some when it comes to LeBron and Kobe and it's not like LeBron is even near Kobe in seasons played. In 2009, Jerry fukking West said LeBron was the best player in the league and surpassed Kobe.

I don't give a fukk what nikkas argued about on the internet. Again MOST PEOPLE thought LeBron was better than Dwyane Wade. LeBron James is a better player than Dwyane Wade, since 2003 when they both came into this league. Don't say the media been "slurping that nikka" since 2003, he's just THAT good, you acting like it's not warranted that he gets all the coverage he does c'mon son you like Wade and that's that. I didn't say just the media, front offices prioritized LeBron James over Dwyane Wade in 2010 free agency, because he was the better PLAYER no matter what nikkas was arguing about and who they stanned. Objectively, without narratives and biases LeBron James is the more talented basketball player, and looking at the facts from the time period the numbers, the accolades, the wins, the H2H match-ups all things considered he was the superior basketball player.

The fact that nikkas threw fukking Melo in the discussion who never played defense shows that these "arguments" by stans are irrelevant. You'd have to be a special kind of dumb ass to think Melo was as good as LeBron James or Dwyane Wade in that time period. But of course dumb ass nikkas online who saw Melo hit a regular season gamewinner in LeBron's grill are going to run online and say Melo is on par, does this make it true because dumb ass reactionary casual basketball fans on the internet said it? No nikka. Stop being dense my god, your using SOHH as proof wtf.

 

[Thabo]

You just killed your own credibility because there was DEFINITELY talk about whose team it was in 2010-11 and who was the best player on the Heat. And I will up news articles and videos if you try to deny it LeBron mailed in his performance at the 2011 Finals because his shots werent falling and Wade was making him look like a sidekick. Stop tryna change history. We were all there. We saw it

No they weren't you are delusional.

 

[No1]

The Heat beat Boston in 7, they almost lost the series, Bosh was injured. Celtics were on a 50+ win pace and were the top defense in the league.


How did you forget this?

They played them twice and that was the second time. Why do you think no one is cosigning you? That second time is when Bosh wasn't 100%.