Ozymandeas
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I googled the best NBA player in 2021 and they still had LeBron first 
Lebron is closer to 40 than 30 and he's hurt. Does he get a pass this year?
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makes sense, analytics definitely wasnt a talking point at all during that era (IRL). however, bron fans bringing up box score stats & season averages as one of their main talking points definitely was
Why did you conviniently ignore the fact they also have more MVPs, Finals MVPs, and DPOY awards than LeBron?
It ain't just team accolades. Jordan, Kareem, and Russell beat him in individual accolades as well.
Bron has no case for top 3 all-time let alone GOAT. Jordan, Kareem, and Russell have better resumes.
The_Third_Man
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the strange thing even when Lebron plays well like he did before the injury or last year finals/playoffs, people were accusing him of stat padding and only trying to get the MVP. 
imagine getting criticised for not missing games, let alone playing well.
imagine getting criticised for not missing games, let alone playing well.
So you have no counter-argument?
I'll repeat it once again: Why did Bron have to run over to D-Wade's team if he was so much more successful than Giannis? At least Giannis stuck with the Bucks and didn't need to hop onto a superteam to win titles.
Kareem has 6 MVPs (most all-time), 6 titles (2 more than LeBron), and is the leading scorer of all-time (as of now). He's also CLEARLY more accomplished than LeBron. There is no argument for LeBron being Top 3 based on accolades. He's at best #4 or #5 alongside Magic. And last time I checked ain't a lot of discussion about Magic being the GOAT.
With regard to your second point, you must clearly not know the history between me and @Rhakim. We've had a long history of going back n forth on this topic. I would suggest not speaking on things you know nothing about. You already made yourself look like an idiot claiming no Bron stan used stats to argue for him against Kobe back in the late 2000s. There are a number of threads featuring me exposing Bron stans like @Rhakim for their hypocrisy when it comes to analytics and LeBron. There was one thread in particular about Luka vs LeBron where I owned him so badly that he had to resort to the excuse that he put me on ignore so as to run away from my butt whopping.
The receipts are all over this mesaage board. Go search for them for yourself.
So your argument is just because. How feminine. Over here, we're men. So we like to be more logical and reason based. You need more than this if you're gonna debate like a man.
fifth column
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It’s not
fifth column
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These blind witnesses are just that, blind witnesses
I AM WARHOL
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These dudes are really shytting on Giannis for not packing up and going to Dallas to play with Luka or Portland to play with Dame
. Except at the time Wade was even better than Luka and Dame
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murksiderock
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No Kareem doesn't have a better resume...
LeBron has more FMVPs, more AMVPs, more All-NBAs, more 1st Team All-NBAs, more iconic postseason performances, and won more championships as the best player on said championship teams...
Kareem has more chokes though, and has the distinction of somehow being maybe the greatest player ever, dominating a decade to the tune of 5 MVPs in 7 years, and somehow only getting to two Finals appearances out of it. Kareem was in The League a full 10 years before Magic, won 5 MVPs and yet just one ring. Magic comes then boom he's able to start stacking titles....
Kareem is the most prominent example of a guy whose legacy was boosted on the back of one player in NBA history. And this is a league where many great players have their resumes enhanced by playing alongside someone greater than them...
The Kareem argument is forced and tired...
And stop moving the goalposts, you fukking gump lol. Now its Bron stans were using stats, your initial statement was analytics and when it was pointed out nobody in fukking 2008 was using analytics to make a basketball argument you started all this talk about Giannis and other shyt...
Go get some help...
Godless Socialist CEO
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Godless Socialist CEO
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These dudes are really shytting on Giannis for not packing up and going to Dallas to play with Luka or Portland to play with Dame
Who's shytting on Giannis? Saying he's not on the same level as the 2nd maybe 1st greatest player of all time at the same stages in their careers is not an insult at all. Critiquing a top 5 NBA player is not shytting on him. What a ridiculous fukking statement
Y'all are so weird. I think it's safe to say Giannis is universally like on the Coli which is rare. If you asked Giannis he'd tell you he isn't perfect and theres plenty of shyt he can get better at.
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Calm down kid. I use stats and analytics INTERCHANGEABLY. If you would like I will only use analytics from this point forward cause Bron stans did use ANALYTICS all the way back in 2008. PER existed back then and was a favorite go-to for them.
As I said earlier, you can check the receipts. I've got years of posts on this site going back n forth with the leader of the Bron stan brigade on this site (@Rhakim). Lets just put it this way. I've exposed him so badly for his hypocrisy on this very point that he now claims to have me on ignore so as to run away from my butt whoppings.