Kyrie Irving on First Take (Breaks down why he left the Cavs, relationship w/ LeBron &more)

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capp34 said:
Stats are true but I am speaking more about the offense itself with all the heavy iso. He said he was tired of people saying he was one dimensional. Like he said he had to find a way to "fit" when Lebron came back.
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Iso is kyrie's game...nothing more....he makes noone else better. The proof is in the pudding/numbers. When lebron is on the floor with kyrie, kyrie has some semblance of a team/passing game but as soon as lebron sits, Kyrie does into straight iso ball on every possession.



there is a reason delly had more team impact outside of direst scoring than kyrie. The 2015-2016 stats, the championship season



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WITH and WITHOUT LeBron James               
            
          WITH     min    per 48  |  WITHOUT    min   per 48  |  DIFFERENCE
Frye     + 3.9     8.2    + 22.8  |  - 2.1    10.7    - 9.4   |  +32.2
Delly    + 5.6    16.8    + 16.0  |  - 0.1     9.1    - 0.5   |  +16.5
Shumpert + 3.4    12.5    + 13.1  |  + 0.3    12.8    + 1.1   |  +11.9
Thompson + 5.6    20.7    + 13.0  |  - 0.9     8.8    - 4.9   |  +17.9
Love     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  - 0.8     6.2    - 6.2   |  +17.9
Smith    + 5.3    26.9    + 9.5   |  - 1.0     6.3    - 7.6   |  +17.1
Irving   + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |    0.0    10.0      0.0   |  + 8.5
Jefferso + 1.0     7.3    + 6.6   |  - 1.3    12.7    - 4.9   |  +11.5
Williams + 1.9    15.8    + 5.8   |  - 2.7     6.3    -20.6   |  +26.3

These are outrageous numbers. The kind of difference LeBron makes is huge. Without LeBron on court, each player gets net losses across the board. With him, massive positives. The difference is staggering.

As a comparison, here are the same with-without +/- stats for the other members of the "Big 3". Or perhaps "massive 1 and biggish 2"?

Irving:

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WITH and WITHOUT Irving
                
           WITH                      WITHOUT
          "+/-"    min    per 48     "+/-"    min     per 48        DIFFERENCE
James    + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |  + 5.4    20.4    + 12.7    |    - 4.2
Smith    + 2.3    22.2    + 5.0   |  + 2.5    15.8     + 7.6    |    - 2.6
Thompson + 4.4    27.7    + 7.6   |  + 3.9    31.5     + 5.9    |    + 1.7
Love     + 2.8    23.1    + 5.8   |  + 3.9    17.3     +10.8    |    - 5.0
Shumpert + 1.1    13.0    + 4.1   |  + 2.4    12.8     + 9.0    |    - 4.9
Delly    + 1.4     8.8    + 7.6   |  + 4.3    19.8     +10.4    |    - 2.8
Frye     + 0.7     9.6    + 3.5   |  + 0.6     9.2     + 3.1    |    + 0.4
Jeffers  + 0.6     8.0    + 3.6   |  - 0.9    13.3     - 3.2    |    + 6.8
Willia   - 1.0     3.5    -13.7   |  - 1.0    17.6     - 2.7    |    -11.0

This doesn't paint Irving's impact on his teammates in a particularly positive light. He is getting big credit for stepping up in the Finals, but his impact based on regular season +/- is not as impressive, especially for a "superstar". Statistically, the other two of the Big 3 actually preferred when they are playing without Irving. And this applies to several others too. Dissing Irving might be a dangerous thing to do around here, so I will just say: basketball is a team game.

And Love:

Code: 
WITH and WITHOUT Love
              
           WITH                    | WITHOUT                    |
           +/-    min     per 48   | "+/-"    min    per 48     |  DIFFERENCE
James     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  + 1.8     9.7    + 8.9    |    +  2.8
Irving    + 2.8    23.1    +  5.8  |  + 1.4    10.5    + 6.4    |    -  0.6
Smith     + 3.3    23.8    +  6.7  |  + 0.9     8.4    + 5.1    |    +  1.5
Thompson  + 4.0    16.6    + 11.6  |  + 0.7    12.4    + 2.7    |    +  8.9
Shumpert  + 2.8    11.0    + 12.2  |  + 0.8    14.4    + 2.7    |    +  9.6
Delly     + 4.5    14.1    + 15.3  |  + 0.8    11.4    + 3.4    |    + 12.0
Frye      - 1.0     5.0    -  9.6  |  + 1.7    15.5    + 5.3    |    - 14.9
Jefferson + 0.1     7.5    +  0.6  |  - 0.7    11.5    - 2.9    |    +  3.6
Williams  + 1.4    14.7    +  4.6  |  - 2.4     7.1    -16.2    |    + 20.8

To honour the departing Delly, here is how the Cavs players played with and without him. Somehow Delly seems to add more value that the lesser 2 of the Big 3.

Delly:

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WITH and WITHOUT Delly                       

          WITH                   |  WITHOUT                   |
         "+/-"    min    per 48  |  "+/-"    min    per 48    |    DIFFERENCE
James     +5.6    16.8    +16.0  |   +3.0    20.4    +7.1     |    +8.9
Irving    +1.4     8.8     +7.6  |   +2.8    24.7    +5.4     |    +2.2
Smith     +3.2    12.6    +12.2  |   +1.2    19.4    +3.0     |    +9.2
Thompson  +3.0    15.2     +9.5  |   +1.6    13.8    +5.6     |    +3.9
Love      +4.5    14.1    +15.3  |   +1.4    18.5    +3.6     |   +11.7
Shumpert  +2.3    13.9     +7.9  |   +1.4    11.7    +5.7     |    +2.2
Frye      +0.3    10.7     +1.3  |   +1.0     7.7    +6.2     |    -4.9
Jeffers   +0.9    10.6     +4.1  |   -1.5     8.4    -8.6     |   +12.6
Williams  +1.8     7.3    +11.8  |   -2.4    14.7    -7.8     |   +19.7



even prior to lebron, we all knew kyrie was also iso

Kyrie Irving's career record: 63-115 & 12 total Double-Double games
 
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MJ Truth said:
He giving a lot of real bullshyt lol. Where's that Juelz gif when you need it?
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:russ: SAS and Max had some good questions and wanted real answers...I give Max a lot of credit for sticking to his guns on it because you could tell Kyrie was getting a little annoyed with the direction of the discussion. .


As they pressed him throughout the show...he gave off somewhat of a believable answer when he talked about the environment being so "overwhelming"....which to me, meant he was tired of the world revolving around Lebron, period. Let's face it, the man is a 1st pick, 1st rounder...a champ and a clutch shooter....he doesn't want to be under the Lebron brand and wants to be thought of separate from that. It's really that simple. he has an ego too.

He didn't want to downgrade significantly...so he agreed to a Boston trade which would still keep him as a contender and not leave him as a forgetter.

Now that he's on Boston, he is the only guy on the team with deep playoff experience like he has...and a ring...he has the cache and he is going to be the most respected within his teammates....he knows it, and we all can see it.

Now when I heard Kyrie's answers like "I just wanted to work on and perfect my craft, it's bigger than the two of us..."

I wanted to say GTFOH with that BS. Negro you left because there is something about the team that you didn't like...stop talking in riddles and soliloquies.


The nikka sound like the got damn Riddler and Yoda rolled into one...talkin backwards and leaving clues on paper everywhere lol
 
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Honestly....it sounds like after losing the last chip run he made an irrational decision based on a momentary time period. Still, only time will tell whether this was smart or not.
 
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Hes weak

He obviously couldnt handle the pressure of playin with Bron..talmabout "false reality" and shyt lol

If he cant elevate his team, people are gonna clown the shyt out of him..he wants to be the main piece but hes not BRON or Kobe .
 
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MJ Truth said:
If you're very much woke, there's no such thing as distractions.

fukk is this dude talking about?!?!?!
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