Kyrie Irving on First Take (Breaks down why he left the Cavs, relationship w/ LeBron &more)

[IllmaticDelta]

nobody makes players better and LeBron makes good players bad and cause them to lose passion for the game.

false


The 2015-2016 stats, the championship season

WITH and WITHOUT LeBron James               
            
          WITH     min    per 48  |  WITHOUT    min   per 48  |  DIFFERENCE
Frye     + 3.9     8.2    + 22.8  |  - 2.1    10.7    - 9.4   |  +32.2
Delly    + 5.6    16.8    + 16.0  |  - 0.1     9.1    - 0.5   |  +16.5
Shumpert + 3.4    12.5    + 13.1  |  + 0.3    12.8    + 1.1   |  +11.9
Thompson + 5.6    20.7    + 13.0  |  - 0.9     8.8    - 4.9   |  +17.9
Love     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  - 0.8     6.2    - 6.2   |  +17.9
Smith    + 5.3    26.9    + 9.5   |  - 1.0     6.3    - 7.6   |  +17.1
Irving   + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |    0.0    10.0      0.0   |  + 8.5
Jefferso + 1.0     7.3    + 6.6   |  - 1.3    12.7    - 4.9   |  +11.5
Williams + 1.9    15.8    + 5.8   |  - 2.7     6.3    -20.6   |  +26.3

These are outrageous numbers. The kind of difference LeBron makes is huge. Without LeBron on court, each player gets net losses across the board. With him, massive positives. The difference is staggering.

As a comparison, here are the same with-without +/- stats for the other members of the "Big 3". Or perhaps "massive 1 and biggish 2"?

Irving:

WITH and WITHOUT Irving
                
           WITH                      WITHOUT
          "+/-"    min    per 48     "+/-"    min     per 48        DIFFERENCE
James    + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |  + 5.4    20.4    + 12.7    |    - 4.2
Smith    + 2.3    22.2    + 5.0   |  + 2.5    15.8     + 7.6    |    - 2.6
Thompson + 4.4    27.7    + 7.6   |  + 3.9    31.5     + 5.9    |    + 1.7
Love     + 2.8    23.1    + 5.8   |  + 3.9    17.3     +10.8    |    - 5.0
Shumpert + 1.1    13.0    + 4.1   |  + 2.4    12.8     + 9.0    |    - 4.9
Delly    + 1.4     8.8    + 7.6   |  + 4.3    19.8     +10.4    |    - 2.8
Frye     + 0.7     9.6    + 3.5   |  + 0.6     9.2     + 3.1    |    + 0.4
Jeffers  + 0.6     8.0    + 3.6   |  - 0.9    13.3     - 3.2    |    + 6.8
Willia   - 1.0     3.5    -13.7   |  - 1.0    17.6     - 2.7    |    -11.0

This doesn't paint Irving's impact on his teammates in a particularly positive light. He is getting big credit for stepping up in the Finals, but his impact based on regular season +/- is not as impressive, especially for a "superstar". Statistically, the other two of the Big 3 actually preferred when they are playing without Irving. And this applies to several others too. Dissing Irving might be a dangerous thing to do around here, so I will just say: basketball is a team game.

And Love:

WITH and WITHOUT Love
              
           WITH                    | WITHOUT                    |
           +/-    min     per 48   | "+/-"    min    per 48     |  DIFFERENCE
James     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  + 1.8     9.7    + 8.9    |    +  2.8
Irving    + 2.8    23.1    +  5.8  |  + 1.4    10.5    + 6.4    |    -  0.6
Smith     + 3.3    23.8    +  6.7  |  + 0.9     8.4    + 5.1    |    +  1.5
Thompson  + 4.0    16.6    + 11.6  |  + 0.7    12.4    + 2.7    |    +  8.9
Shumpert  + 2.8    11.0    + 12.2  |  + 0.8    14.4    + 2.7    |    +  9.6
Delly     + 4.5    14.1    + 15.3  |  + 0.8    11.4    + 3.4    |    + 12.0
Frye      - 1.0     5.0    -  9.6  |  + 1.7    15.5    + 5.3    |    - 14.9
Jefferson + 0.1     7.5    +  0.6  |  - 0.7    11.5    - 2.9    |    +  3.6
Williams  + 1.4    14.7    +  4.6  |  - 2.4     7.1    -16.2    |    + 20.8

To honour the departing Delly, here is how the Cavs players played with and without him. Somehow Delly seems to add more value that the lesser 2 of the Big 3.

Delly:

WITH and WITHOUT Delly                       

          WITH                   |  WITHOUT                   |
         "+/-"    min    per 48  |  "+/-"    min    per 48    |    DIFFERENCE
James     +5.6    16.8    +16.0  |   +3.0    20.4    +7.1     |    +8.9
Irving    +1.4     8.8     +7.6  |   +2.8    24.7    +5.4     |    +2.2
Smith     +3.2    12.6    +12.2  |   +1.2    19.4    +3.0     |    +9.2
Thompson  +3.0    15.2     +9.5  |   +1.6    13.8    +5.6     |    +3.9
Love      +4.5    14.1    +15.3  |   +1.4    18.5    +3.6     |   +11.7
Shumpert  +2.3    13.9     +7.9  |   +1.4    11.7    +5.7     |    +2.2
Frye      +0.3    10.7     +1.3  |   +1.0     7.7    +6.2     |    -4.9
Jeffers   +0.9    10.6     +4.1  |   -1.5     8.4    -8.6     |   +12.6
Williams  +1.8     7.3    +11.8  |   -2.4    14.7    -7.8     |   +19.7

The only people who like playing with leBron is the idgaf players like JR Swish

false

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Part of the reason why I think Kyrie will have an MVP type season is becuz the Celtics have a shyt ton of young talent and they all seem to listen to Stevens.

kyrie iso ball is going to clash with celtics motion offense

 

[Art Barr]

Bron DID try to get the nikka traded first and then drops the dime to the media after Kyrie requested his own trade due to that shyt. That was a sucka ass move by Bron. How you gonna blame Kyrie for that?

Wait a minute...
So, this is some rocnation double cross coup shyt like jayz did to Warner, lyor and dame. While blaming it falsely on dame, cam and beans type demo.

Really,...how very roc nation of lebron.

Is this true,...bron tried to get kyrie traded first?



Art Barr

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I see you finally decided to show your face spewing the same ole garbage.

I never left and I only speak facts

 

[Art Barr]

kyrie iso ball is going to clash with celtics motion offense

No, it will not as Stevens is arguably the best coach in bball history.


Art Barr

 

[IllmaticDelta]

No, it will not as Stevens is arguably the best coach in bball history.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

So what other coach took that level of scrubs anywhere. Every coach successful in history had some superstAr. Stevens has never had any talent that was of size and not some far fetched anomaly.

If you wanna make it a discussion you will lose. That is why you posting lame ass smilies and you know you not shyt at posting to me,...so you better off Making yo weak ass comments a smilie. You weak ass nikkaz better realize you not shyt to me,...so keep making smilies.

Ol refugee ass poster face ass nikkaz.
.
How many post is it gon take you to be great.

I been great off year one post one everywhere I posted,...what is your excuse?


Y'all ho ass nikkaz is exucse makers.
that play with ms paint and PhotoShop like a retarded kindergarten student with a multicolor broken crayon.

Stfu and move around.


Art Barr

 

[IllmaticDelta]

So what other coach took that level of scrubs anywhere. Every coach successful in history had some superstAr. Stevens has never had any talent that was of size and not some far fetched anomaly.

If you wanna make it a discussion you will lose. That is why you posting lame ass smilies and you know you not shyt at posting to me,...sk you better off Maki g yo weak ass comments a smilie. You weak ass nikkaz better realize you not shyt to me,...so keep making smilies.

Ol refugee ass poster face ass nikkaz.
.
How many post is it gon take you to be great.

I been great off year one post one everywhere I posted,...what is your excuse?


Y'all ho ass nikkaz is exucse makers that play with ms paint and PhotoShop like a retarded kindergarten student.

Stfu and move around.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Retarded kindergarten level of posting and you still don't even have a drawig gimmick around doing that cause you not that smart.
nikkaz ain't been shyt in no drawing era of this community. You lucky we got smilies or you would have no response to get any daps. Oh yeah the daps you covet all come from my matrix and the preciate it handshake. So the daps you seeking is still based off of me. So at the end of the day, all roads return to:



Art Barr

 

[hashmander]

he talks like a flat earther. eloquent while talking garbage.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Kyrie hit the game winner in game 7 and got.no credit for it.

It's not jealously to want your just due

Why do people keep saying this dumb shyt.

Dude literally had a big ass billboard put up of him hitting the shot.

He got all the credit he deserved.

 

[MJ Truth]

Kyrie clearly doesn't fukk with Max and Max clearly only wanted to ask LeBron centric questions, which I feel like people don't understand is one of the exact reasons Kyrie wanted out

EVERYBODY thinks that's one of the main reasons he left, they just want Kyrie to actually SAY it. And until he does - says either yes, that's the reason or no, that's not the reason - he's gonna keep getting asked about it.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Retarded kindergarten level of posting and you still don't even have a drawig gimmick around doing that cause you not that smart.
nikkaz ain't been shyt in no drawing era of this community. You lucky we got smilies or you would have no response to get any daps. Oh yeah the daps you covet all come from my matrix and the preciate it handshake. So the daps you seeking is still based off of me. So at the end of the day, all roads return to:



Art Barr

I already came with the numbers/facts. Kyrie is an isoball player and nothing more. Remember when Byron Scott wanted kyrie to run the princeton offense, the one that jason kidd ran to perfection on the nets in the early 2000s? Well, in Kyrie's own words




does kyrie's craft as a pg actually include passing/making other's better?

how about defense?



let me remind you of what kyrie was foing prior to lebron (hint, he wasn't creating for others lol)

Kyrie Irving's career record: 63-115 & 12 total Double-Double games

get prepared boston fans

 

[Art Barr]

he talks like a flat earther. eloquent while talking garbage.

He had the same level of passive aggressiveness bih nikka that lebron does.
Yet I guess that is his version of fight fire with fire mixed with this Kobe style of interview.

Yet it is type p*ssy and real talk...
I would have just said I was actualized and actualized the bron mythos and was left out of contributing. When I, as in kyrie is how he is given the respect he is showered with. That do not realistically tell the full narrative of what occurred.

In that I would like the chance to show everyone what happens. When bron is not offered the luxury of being with the top pedigreed player at the guard position and the leadership role in basic position and theory lebron has shirked and deflected away from. While given erroneous credit as the leader and reason for the past Cleveland championship success.
Instead this nikka kyrie gave ho ass mamba rape court case like answers with a rapey Kobe face and no lack of facial hair and came off as a creep.
Total bullshjt ho nikka-dom and we see why both him and bron clashed. As neither are man enough to keep it real on the other, when asked.

Kyrie ho'd out and could have easily said what the real was and drove a line in the sand. Instead of playing the whole wait till the season is over and the results are in pr patience game that everyone likes to play since the decision went awry in Dallas. That again the most pedigreed actualized backcourt guy had to ramp bron up to close championships with.

Art Barr

 

[MJ Truth]

Kyrie hit the game winner in game 7 and got.no credit for it.

It's not jealously to want your just due

This has got to be the biggest bullshyt statement that's been repeated in this thread.