Kurupt: I Liked Diddy When Suge Dissed Him At '95 Source Awards

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you mean THE MEDIA were the main instigators and fuel to keep the beef going.

how did pac fuel the east vs west when every rapper he had under his wing at the time was from jersey?

pac didnt have anything to do with dpg kicking over NY buildings in their video either. this was long before "hit em up" btw. and while they were doing that, pac was putting together the "one nation" project.

Exactly. nikkas act like the entire west coast wasn't shytting on NY at the time. I e Cube and them was throwing shots well before west side connection dropped.

only "new" beef pac brought to death row was biggie. but suge was already beefing with puff so :whistle:.
 

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you mean THE MEDIA were the main instigators and fuel to keep the beef going.

how did pac fuel the east vs west when every rapper he had under his wing at the time was from jersey?

pac didnt have anything to do with dpg kicking over NY buildings in their video either. this was long before "hit em up" btw. and while they were doing that, pac was putting together the "one nation" project.

only "new" beef pac brought to death row was biggie. but suge was already beefing with puff so :whistle:.
:mjlol:youre ignoring some of what i just said but ill reply to just this anyways. ......are we really gonna act like all those interviews and pac putting the blame on all those east coast dudes didnt happen? theres no need to dispute this sort of shyt. me and you both know he instigated and fueled the shyt to an extent. i dont need to give a bunch of examples.
pac didnt have anything to do with dpg kicking over NY buildings in their video either. this was long before "hit em up" btw. and while they were doing that, pac was putting together the "one nation" project.
yes, youre right. that besides the point though, especially because like you said, he was incarcerated at the time. its a given that he wasnt involved in any of that, that was never in question :stopitslime:. i know this was before hit em up and before this and that blah blah but its relevant still because pac obviously chose sides in that beef right around or soon after source awards. suge is even quoted as saying at the source awards someting like "pac is rollin with us now". you can see for yourself if you watch the videos. and if you think that the whole "one nation" project didnt happen because the people associated with it were mostly somewhat enemies of big then idk what to tell you.

only "new" beef pac brought to death row was biggie. but suge was already beefing with puff so :whistle:.
youre not seeing the biggest part of this though. pac, like i said, brought in a beef with one of the BIGGEST rappers at the time. not to mention probly bigs friends and associates as well...along with maybe some other NY rappers. pac had other beefs around the time too, not just with biggie. he brought in other personal beefs but i dont wanna get into that. also ...who and what do you think people were paying more attention to, suge/puffy beef or PAC/BIG beef. alot of people probly didnt know about suge cause he wasnt "all up in the videos dancin". he was just a music executive. on the other hand though, you got pac bringing in his huge beef with another RAPPER who happens to be very BIG at the time.
 

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"I was told to beware, uninspired, dissed by a nikka I admired! (Who?)
Hell no this can't be! (Who Man?)
Now who the fukk is this I hear, on the radio dissin' me?
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if they trailer got shot up because of biggie why they still wanted to be cool with him?
 

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Pac actually ruined Death Row. Death Row was doing just fine before they signed him. He brought his little beefs and paranoia to the camp and wrecked everything. Id go so far as to say, Death Row released more classics before the time of Pac. Snoop already made it clear he was a Biggie fan and didnt understand what the bickering was about. He wanted to make music with Big, not go fight him because a new artist has brought his drama along.

i agree. pac brought his agenda to death row. it was great marketing for death row. it ended up dividing death row and ending death row.
 

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:mjlol:youre ignoring some of what i just said but ill reply to just this anyways. ......are we really gonna act like all those interviews and pac putting the blame on all those east coast dudes didnt happen? theres no need to dispute this sort of shyt. me and you both know he instigated and fueled the shyt to an extent. i dont need to give a bunch of examples.

yes, youre right. that besides the point though, especially because like you said, he was incarcerated at the time. its a given that he wasnt involved in any of that, that was never in question :stopitslime:. i know this was before hit em up and before this and that blah blah but its relevant still because pac obviously chose sides in that beef right around or soon after source awards. suge is even quoted as saying at the source awards someting like "pac is rollin with us now". you can see for yourself if you watch the videos. and if you think that the whole "one nation" project didnt happen because the people associated with it were mostly somewhat enemies of big then idk what to tell you.

youre not seeing the biggest part of this though. pac, like i said, brought in a beef with one of the BIGGEST rappers at the time. not to mention probly bigs friends and associates as well...along with maybe some other NY rappers. pac had other beefs around the time too, not just with biggie. he brought in other personal beefs but i dont wanna get into that. also ...who and what do you think people were paying more attention to, suge/puffy beef or PAC/BIG beef. alot of people probly didnt know about suge cause he wasnt "all up in the videos dancin". he was just a music executive. on the other hand though, you got pac bringing in his huge beef with another RAPPER who happens to be very BIG at the time.


the bolded is hype & fan spectator stuff. who cares what fly-by-night rap fans might not have known who suge was? what does that have to do with anything? it has no bearing.

what did i ignore?

what interviews? the ones where pac is going at specific people that he had legit beef with that just-so-happened to be east coast? thats neither here nor there. and like dude said, the east/west dissin was going on long before the source awards, let alone 2pac. its just that the latter two have been sensationalized. AGAIN - MEDIA HYPE & SPECTATOR TALK.

suge shouting out 2pac doesnt implicate pac in any east/west beefs. death row had an east coast nicca perform that night, btw.

who are all these people on the "one nation" project that biggie had beef with besides BCC?
 

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the bolded is hype & fan spectator stuff. who cares what fly-by-night rap fans might not have known who suge was? what does that have to do with anything? it has no bearing.
so pac having other beefs with other Ny rappers and rappers in general is hype and spectator stuff? also again, youre missing the point. suge and puffy beefing wasnt going to be as big as two big rappers beefing. death row was going to be affected by a rapper as big as pac's decisions nonetheless, and it was.
what interviews? the ones where pac is going at specific people that he had legit beef with that just-so-happened to be east coast? thats neither here nor there. and like dude said, the east/west dissin was going on long before the source awards, let alone 2pac. its just that the latter two have been sensationalized. AGAIN - MEDIA HYPE & SPECTATOR TALK
interviews where he calls out big/ puff/junior mafia being involved in that shooting. it doesnt necessarily matter where theyre from, they mightve just "so happened to be on the east" but the fact that a majority of people he was beefin with were on the east, the fact he still had beefs and brought them to DR means he was a big factor in ruining them and instigating/fueling the east/west beef since DR was a major player in that. and youre right the beef was going on before source awards but pac was still an instigator and fueled it.
suge shouting out 2pac doesnt implicate pac in any east/west beefs. death row had an east coast nicca perform that night, btw.
it doesnt neccessarily implicate him in it completely but since he was already beefing with east coast dudes it does to an extent and foreshadows pac joining DR the same year and him being on DR's team.
who are all these people on the "one nation" project that biggie had beef with besides BCC?
just BCC :troll:
 
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so pac having other beefs with other Ny rappers and rappers in general is hype and spectator stuff? also again, youre missing the point. suge and puffy beefing wasnt going to be as big as two big rappers beefing. death row was going to be affected by a rapper as big as pac's decisions nonetheless, and it was.

interviews where he calls out big and puff being involved in that shooting. it doesnt necessarily matter where theyre from, they mightve just "so happened to be on the east" but the fact that a majority of people he was beefin with were on the east, the fact he still had beefs and brought them to DR means he was a big factor in ruining them and instigating/fueling the east/west beef since DR was a major player in that. and youre right the beef was going on before source awards but pac was still an instigator and fueled it.

it doesnt neccessarily implicate him in it completely but since he was already beefing with east coast dudes it does to an extent and foreshadows pac joining DR the same year and him being on DR's team.
just BCC :troll:


i was asking you a question. if it aint just BCC, then who was it? dont respond with a smiley.

youre twisting my words in the bolded.

no. YOURE missing the point. who cares how popular a suge/puffy beef is to a bunch of commoners sitting on their ass watching tv? BEEF IS BEEF. like i said, youre getting too caught up in media hype & a spectator's perspective. you see what im saying now?

if dudes you have legit beef with just-so-happen to be from the east coast, then so be it. meanwhile, all of his artists at the time were from the east coast too. i see you dodged that bullet many posts ago.

this struggle to make pac the face of some east/west chit which dates back to the early '90s(maybe even earlier) with tim dog - who 2pac saved; needs to stop.
 

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i was asking you a question. if it aint just BCC, then who was it? dont respond with a smiley.
and i responded, i said "just BCC", but the very fact that BCC was largely associated with the people who were involved in that one nation project shows vailidity to what i said.
not to mention probly bigs friends and associates as well...along with maybe some other NY rappers. pac had other beefs around the time too, not just with biggie. he brought in other personal beefs but i dont wanna get into that. also ...who and what do you think people were paying more attention to, suge/puffy beef or PAC/BIG beef. alot of people probly didnt know about suge cause he wasnt "all up in the videos dancin". he was just a music executive. on the other hand though, you got pac bringing in his huge beef with another RAPPER who happens to be very BIG at the time.
youre twisting my words in the bolded.
was i twisting youre words? up above ^^^ is all of what you bolded the first time.
no. YOURE missing the point. who cares how popular a suge/puffy beef is to a bunch of commoners sitting on their ass watching tv? BEEF IS BEEF. like i said, youre getting too caught up in media hype & a spectator's perspective. you see what im saying now?
suge and puffy werent beefing before the source really. the fact that pac gets a "shout out" from suge at the source right before pac JOINS death row and after what happened to him when he claimed it was because of bad boy...again shows validity to what i was saying. even if it is true that puff/suge were already beefing before the source, what im saying is, is that pac and bigs beef, and his beef with other rappers were way bigger (and like u said these artists HAPPENED to be on the east coast, so therefore it still fuels and instigates it) and brought about ruining death row (in part at least)..... regardless of that east/west bullshyt the main point is that, pac who was beefing with ppl, ny people and others alike, brought his huge beefs over to death row and in turn, not only ruined death row because of how big the beefs were (because of how big HE was) but also instigated and fueled the west/east beef because he was on DR's team. DR was WEST facing EAST. pac, unintentionally or not fueled and instigated the beef. and i quote "fukk NEW YORK" -pac :youngsabo:shows validity to what i was saying doesnt it? youre gonna tell me that he wasnt a major part in the east/west beef when hes quoted as saying "fukk NEW YORK"? theres nothing left to discuss if you wanna go up against that one. even if the song i linked above is technically unreleased. still shows validty to what i was saying.
if dudes you have legit beef with just-so-happen to be from the east coast, then so be it. meanwhile, all of his artists at the time were from the east coast too. i see you dodged that bullet many posts ago.
outlawz were from jersey but everyone saw them as being from the west and they also claimed it.
 
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but you care enough to respond to a thread pertaining to him.

What you gone do about it besides neg prepping me for talking bout this dude you having fantasies about fakkit. Anyways Kurupt better keep it crippin or Snoop gone fukk em up.
 

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Pac actually ruined Death Row. Death Row was doing just fine before they signed him. He brought his little beefs and paranoia to the camp and wrecked everything. Id go so far as to say, Death Row released more classics before the time of Pac. Snoop already made it clear he was a Biggie fan and didnt understand what the bickering was about. He wanted to make music with Big, not go fight him because a new artist has brought his drama along.
DR collapsed because Dre left. Pac dying and Suge going to jail was the nail in the coffin. DR was crumbling within the inside loong before Pac joined. But Biggie stans like yourself will blame Pac for anything, even for global warming.
 

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Suge was robbing his artists blind, the feds were on his neck for funnelling drugs and operating gang activity through DR, mismanaged the company's profits, he kicked out Harry O', was beefing with Puffy.....this all happened long before Pac joined. That's not doing fine. Nate Dogg said this shyt himself :mjlol:.
 
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