Knicks legend wants jersey retired following Hall of Fame election

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:russ:MELO HAD PRIME RUSS AND PRIME PG
ONLY TO GET BOUNCED
IN THE 1ST RD BY JOE INGLES.

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You know how you know you talking bullshyt cause we’re talking about the Knicks this has nothing to do with OKC :dead:




Melo is the best and the most iconic Knicks Player since 2000 it is what is idk why yall trying to discredit him :manny:
 

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But how they gonna retire Starks’ number but not Bernard King, Rolando Blackman, or Allan Houston?

The Knicks only made the playoffs twice in Bernard King’s 5 years on that team, with two 2nd round appearance. Why would you retire someone’s number, when they don’t have the longevity or the playoff performances to deserve a jersey retirement? Just because he scored 60 once? If you retire his number, you’re lowering the bar for other players to get their number retired. What, should Gilbert Arenas have his number retired by the Wizards next? He had about the same impact to DC as Melo did to NY (won a couple of playoff series, made it to the 2nd round once).
 

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The Knicks only made the playoffs twice in Bernard King’s 5 years on that team, with two 2nd round appearance. Why would you retire someone’s number, when they don’t have the longevity or the playoff performances to deserve a jersey retirement? Just because he scored 60 once? If you retire his number, you’re lowering the bar for other players to get their number retired. What, should Gilbert Arenas have his number retired by the Wizards next? He had about the same impact to DC as Melo did to NY (won a couple of playoff series, made it to the 2nd round once).

…because he was not only an All-Star, but a legit league star, and scoring champion.

John Starks wasn’t those…
 

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Dominique was a better player than Melo. In his prime (1985-94) he led the Hawks/Clippers to 44.6 wins/year; if you take out the '94 season he was traded, it goes up to 46.8 wins/year; if you take out his '92 injury season AND rge year he was traded, he had Atlanta winning 48 games/year...

Nique played 73.7 games per year; 77.6 games/year taking out '92...

He made the playoffs 6/9 years in his prime, and was 3-6 in playoff series, which isn't great either---->buts it's 3x as much winning as Melo brought New York...

This aint a real comparison, on average you were winning 5 to 11 more games per season with Dominique as your franchise cornerstone, than with Melo. Go look at some of those Hawks teams he was on, they weren't loaded either...

The team accomplishments matter when you're an individual of Melo's caliber, bruh. How could they not? Melo won 37-40 games/year, and one playoff series his entire Knicks run. Iverson didn't have great Sixers teams aside from '01 and still won more than one playoff series. Some of those Sixers teams were fukking terrible and he STILL won three playoff series with them (outside of '01)...

As a player, that's the level Melo is on, he should be on AI's level, but accomplished less. Like what standard are we holding Melo too bruh, you in here comparing him to Collison and Allen getting retired 🤣 the expectation of an elite, marquee player is not 40 wins/year and one playoff series win, that's not jersey retirement status...
You using math, wins per avg. This ain’t algebra.

Folks basing whether or not their jersey gets retired on how far they got in the playoffs vs the totality of the accomplishments said player had while playing for an organization.

Yall love to move goalposts on here.
 

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…because he was not only an All-Star, but a legit league star, and scoring champion.

John Starks wasn’t those…

That’s cool, but jersey retirements usually occur when players have either won championships or they’ve gotten your team to the finals at least once. What your describing sounds like a player who should be included in the ring of fame for a team, where his name is marked near a suite at the arena, but if you’re a franchise with standards, a one time scoring champion and all star is not enough to have your jersey retired. You might as well be the Wizards if your standards are that low.
 

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To be fair though, the Raptors were giving #15 out to bums left and right after Vince left the way he did and it still went up in the rafters
and we thought they'd never repair that relationship, but nobody was chastising Toronto for giving that number out, because we understood why.
 

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They had enough to win that series. They just needed Melo to dominate and really leave his imprint on the series.

His numbers look good but he could never put the team on his back and will them to victory like all the greats do

AI was one of the great playoff performers of all time. We’ve seen him come out a drop 50 multiple times. But when the Knicks needed Melo to do that he came up short…
If you think it’s as easy as going out there and dropping 50 you didn’t watch the series then. :manny:
 

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That’s cool, but jersey retirements usually occur when players have either won championships or they’ve gotten your team to the finals at least once. What your describing sounds like a player who should be included in the ring of fame for a team, where his name is marked near a suite at the arena, but if you’re a franchise with standards, a one time scoring champion and all star is not enough to have your jersey retired. You might as well be the Wizards if your standards are that low.
The Wizards are a bum ass franchise that hasn’t won 50 games in almost 50 years.

They should put Arenas up there along with Jordan and maybe Wall.
 
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But how they gonna retire Starks’ number but not Bernard King, Rolando Blackman, or Allan Houston?
Bernard King should be there it was injuries that did him in but he’s hands down a top 5 player in franchise history with some of the greatest moments in franchise history. He’s one of the best players to come out of New York City as well.

Starks did more than Blackman and Houston. Blackman was a role player for 2 seasons not sure why he’s coming up.
 
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That’s cool, but jersey retirements usually occur when players have either won championships or they’ve gotten your team to the finals at least once. What your describing sounds like a player who should be included in the ring of fame for a team, where his name is marked near a suite at the arena, but if you’re a franchise with standards, a one time scoring champion and all star is not enough to have your jersey retired. You might as well be the Wizards if your standards are that low.
Suns retired Shawn Marion & Amare Stoudemire's jerseys and those Suns teams never got to the Finals. So if that's the logic folks are going to use, use it across the board or don’t use it at all.
 

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Suns retired Shawn Marion & Amare Stoudemire's jerseys and those Suns teams never got to the Finals. So if that's the logic folks are going to use, use it across the board or don’t use it at all.

Suns are a franchise that only has 2 Finals appearances in 57 years, so of course they would retire those numbers. My point is that there are levels to having your number retired by a team. Teams like the Suns/Wizards/Hornets/Pelicans, etc that are terrible franchises historically will gladly retire players numbers. Real franchises like the Lakers, Celtics, etc have much harder requirements to have your name in the rafters. I guess the Knicks are closer to those bum teams than I thought, if Melo gets his number retired.
 

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it’s not high school, they are not retiring jerseys for personal performance that leads to nothing but a nice personal stat sheet for yourself

Like Udonis Haslem is more likely to get his shyt retired, unless it hasn’t already been retired.


It’s something about the hall of fame which make these ballers think they are the most important person in the world of all times for some weeks :mjlol:
 
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