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it ain't a "western" issue alone homegirl

the motherland is a mess too & they making babies like it's going out of style

caribbean same way south/central.america same way

it's just a sad fact nikkas be fukking & nutting up in everything before they have their house in order

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by this logic it's the whole world, India and China making way more babies

Making babies is not a bad thing, this is what I mean by not thinking things through, These cultures take pride in having children period, with the whole community involved. It's a different lense

Alot of Caribbean islands aging and shrinking in population so I don't know what babies you think are being made there
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I’ve only read some excerpts for a project I had to do in college that I used for citations. Word of caution, there’s some non-Harlem stuff in there. He does interviews with black straight and gay men. It doesn’t take away from the message. But if that’s a problem, just read some book summaries.

To @Booksnrain point, there is a whole socio-cultural history to our masculinity and sexual prowess and a reason to why we have been conditioned to think with our dikks. In the antebellum times, we were bred to breed. I think what she’s saying is that it’s not enough to just say “stop thinking with our dikks” but to understand how our history and environment promotes that thinking and how we need to deconstruct all of that shyt before we can move forward.
 
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(Sigh) Part of the reason I don’t like him is b/c he spits these hot takes without any historical nuance or context.

He does it when he fixes his mouth to bytch about women. And dudes just go along with it b/c they wanna see chicks get humbled.

Now when he does it to blk men, it’s JUST as bad. And cringeworthy.

It’s not about deflecting to blaming systemic white supremacy.
But it’s important to understand that tge shyt didn’t just come outta nowhere. Blks weren’t born like this. Nor can we just expect blks to pull themselves out of their dysfunction if we too shook to even acknowledge the sources of social conditioning that lead to this type of behavior.

A LOT of posters have cursed me out and argued me down claiming I “hate female accountability” when I used to clown this dude for his oversimplification and humiliation of blk women for clout and fame.

Some will go with this idiot to the bitter end but now I hope some dudes understand why I say this dude ain’t it. He’s just providing fodder for racists.

If you wanna talk about blk male hypersexuality, then don’t be intellectually dishonest. Talk about how fukked up Western culture is when it comes to gender dynamics in the first place and how that has contributed to this hypersexual shyt in the first place. Then tell the truth about how we were born into a toxic ass society, had these tropes superimposed upon our community, then had opportunities stripped away from African Americans time and time again until all that’s left for some is to locate their value in their genitalia. Then talk about how our community is INUNDATED with negative imagery of extremes based on the European sick way of understanding gender dynamics and their fascination with Blacks as hypersexual brutes and Jezebels.

THEN we can have a nuanced discussion about ways to fix this shyt. But without dismantling some very harmful paradigms in this fukked up society, having these types of discussions on a public platform is ironically only perpetuating the shyt he claims to want to fix.

Why can’t people see that? I saw the writing on the wall when he was alluding to blk women being masculine and manly and some skipped all over the obvious b/c u were drunk on the novelty of women you desire that don’t want you getting humiliated online.

When that kitten heel turns and he starts promoting racist stereotypes of blk men under the banner of “accountability” I hope people will understand what I’d been saying in the past.

Or not. This shyt is NOT fixing our community. There’s a better way to address these types of issues.:yeshrug:

You see it.
 

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(Sigh) Part of the reason I don’t like him is b/c he spits these hot takes without any historical nuance or context.

He does it when he fixes his mouth to bytch about women. And dudes just go along with it b/c they wanna see chicks get humbled.

Now when he does it to blk men, it’s JUST as bad. And cringeworthy.

It’s not about deflecting to blaming systemic white supremacy.
But it’s important to understand that tge shyt didn’t just come outta nowhere. Blks weren’t born like this. Nor can we just expect blks to pull themselves out of their dysfunction if we too shook to even acknowledge the sources of social conditioning that lead to this type of behavior.

A LOT of posters have cursed me out and argued me down claiming I “hate female accountability” when I used to clown this dude for his oversimplification and humiliation of blk women for clout and fame.

Some will go with this idiot to the bitter end but now I hope some dudes understand why I say this dude ain’t it. He’s just providing fodder for racists.

If you wanna talk about blk male hypersexuality, then don’t be intellectually dishonest. Talk about how fukked up Western culture is when it comes to gender dynamics in the first place and how that has contributed to this hypersexual shyt in the first place. Then tell the truth about how we were born into a toxic ass society, had these tropes superimposed upon our community, then had opportunities stripped away from African Americans time and time again until all that’s left for some is to locate their value in their genitalia. Then talk about how our community is INUNDATED with negative imagery of extremes based on the European sick way of understanding gender dynamics and their fascination with Blacks as hypersexual brutes and Jezebels.

THEN we can have a nuanced discussion about ways to fix this shyt. But without dismantling some very harmful paradigms in this fukked up society, having these types of discussions on a public platform is ironically only perpetuating the shyt he claims to want to fix.

Why can’t people see that? I saw the writing on the wall when he was alluding to blk women being masculine and manly and some skipped all over the obvious b/c u were drunk on the novelty of women you desire that don’t want you getting humiliated online.

When that kitten heel turns and he starts promoting racist stereotypes of blk men under the banner of “accountability” I hope people will understand what I’d been saying in the past.

Or not. This shyt is NOT fixing our community. There’s a better way to address these types of issues.:yeshrug:
You said what I wanted to say better than I could have said it. My only disagreement with you is at the end when you say that this shyt is not fixing our community. Though he is ultimately doing a poor job in the way that he is raising this issue, it is valuable, given the reach that he has, that he is bringing light to this mindset that probably the majority of young black men have. We are suffering because of it. I am no exception to this. Some of my worst decisions have been as a result of believing that my sexual prowess is what defines my worth.

If KS discussing this eventually prompts some of us to make different choices about the programming we are giving to young black men, it will be worthwhile.
 

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IMO, you can find a solid 8 out of 10 type of chick, but she gotta be low-key and not on social media. A nerdy introvert, if you will.

A lot of brehs aren’t prepared for what comes with a 8,9 or 10.
  • Dudes wanting to “befriend” you just to get closer to your girl (dap you in the street, compliment you)
  • Dudes of all levels hitting on her everywhere
  • Possible fights
The low key ones with a bit of molding are the best.
 

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The pioneering academic couple on Samuels' observations have been Drs. Nathan and Julia Hare.

Their books on these subjects 30 years ago, warned of what Samuels addresses for both women and men.

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I always appreciate it when someone brings academic research into TLR convos:obama:
 

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Not unless you’re an anti-Black racist.

I don’t understand how some of y’all will cosign any racist bullshyt as “tough love” as long as it’s coming from a Black man. fukk this c00n.

Imagine if a white man said “Black men need to stop defining their manhood through their dikks.” Yall would be calling them a “SWS” or whatever.

How insulting is the notion that Black men define their masculine through their dikks? Ask yourself if you, your family and all Black men you care about see their manhood through their dikks.

If someone does see himself like that, it’s a product of dysfunction….poverty, abuse, neglect, etc. and it is not intrinsic or inherent to Black men.

Kevin Samuels just likes to talk about black dikks and suck them.
No..he's right. And what he's saying is the same thing my black teachers said to me all the way back in high school. I don't like KS or listen to him much but he's right on this one. And to say this isn't a problem in the black community is foolish.
 

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His audience already complains about the length of the monologues. The message gets lost if no one has the patience to listen. He's speaking to a generation with short attention spans, the same type who miss your gems bc they scroll past your posts. :usure:



You're missing HIS point bc you're making it about YOUR point. As women, it's not our place to critique the manner in which an elder bm teaches the youngins. Not our lane at all and runs the risk of alienating the audience. That said, a goodly proportion of bm seem to place a lot of personal currency in their dikks. Maybe not the men you/ we know, but maybe bc that's how we select which men to have around. All bw dont have that luxury.


:jbhmm: I wonder about this bc, afaik, my grandmother n nem wasnt twerking. And my grandma used to dance at the Savoy, she was literally being thrown over nikkas shoulders and flipping and shyt. :pachaha: So she was 'outside'. Used to stand on her head at the house well into middle age. Never no twerking. Moms neither.

Is this pro twerk revisionist history? :skip: :patrice:
:deadmanny::laff:I can totally see this.

As for the black male penchant for hypersexuality I think it’s both exaggerated and unacknowledged. Exaggerated by racist tropes of negative sub-groups in our race being the primary representatives of black culture…and unacknowledged because people don’t wanna talk about it.

But when we do have any discourse around phenomena in our culture, a discussion of its origins is critical because we can’t eliminate anything without getting to the root of why it’s actually like that.

And by discussing something irresponsibly, we run the risk of allowing specters of age-old stereotypes to overshadow these discussions. There’s already myths of hypersexual black bucks who only think of p*ssy and “muh dikk” rampant online. Hell Ive mentioned some of this myself. But that narrative constantly being pushed primarily at black men (I rarely see this shyt being pushed to other groups of men even when they are more deserving of it-Elvis Presley, Armie Hammer) contributes to internalization of the very stereotypes we are trying to eliminate because we act like blacks are these monstrous demons. It also brews a type of resentment that makes some less likely to confront these issues in the future.

This is just what I see possibly happening when public figures yell out racial tropes as attention grabbers to start discourse on issues in our community. It’s the same shyt with him using stuff like Golden Ratios to judge black features or claiming that the way blacks talk is wrong. He’s leaning waaay too far into that 17th century anthropology this is why the negro’s brain is inferior energy with a lot of his hot takes IMO.

And I could see shyt like this backfiring greatly when they try to link black men as the face of street harrassment or try to blackwash other issues in this society Meanwhile I also think this type of tough love doesn’t give enough credit to the blks who aren’t out there like that. There’s an entire community of blks that are invisible to the world b/c these narratives dominate our culture of media.
Talk about it but balance it with context and perspective would be my suggestion.

Then again, to your point, if he did that…as ignant, myopic and impatient as we are, he might actually lose viewers.:skip:
 

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This thread is a masterclass on the art of deflection from even a semblance of accountability. Brothers won't even engage in the thought experiment because it's a bridge too far.

You can tolerate someone you believe is gay when they're shytting on women but at soon as he asks you to your imagination to do a self assessment, all of a sudden he's too gay.

:mjlol:

I see you on your disingenuous posting shtick. This is not true at all, as the majority of people on here who don’t entertain this man cause he a closet fakkit, does not entertain him in any shape for or fashion. Not, they think he a fakkit but listen and agree when it comes to women, but they draw the line here. That’s just false as hell. Either you fukk with that fakkit or you don’t. That’s the dynamic with how people feel about him.
 

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No..he's right. And what he's saying is the same thing my black teachers said to me all the way back in high school. I don't like KS or listen to him much but he's right on this one. And to say this isn't a problem in the black community is foolish.
No he isn’t right, he’s s c00n and you have internalized white supremacist bullshyt talking points about Black pathology.

This isn’t a problem “in the Black community.” Overvaluing one’s sexual prowess is a product of social dysfunction, anomie and poverty.

A Black man from a stable functional home and environment isn’t going around defining his manhood through his dikk. By trying to paint this as Black problem instead of a social maladjustment primarily of the underclass in America, you’re no different than some MAGAt.
 

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He not saying nothing new

black men who are successful pretty much are focused on their business/getting money 1st and already know women comes with that

And let’s not act like chasing women hasn’t also been the downfall to plenty of successful men OF ALL RACES either.

Remember that billionaire cac that died on the surgery table trying to get a dikk implant or sum shyt? :mjlol:

doubt you’ll ever hear about a black man taking a L like that
 
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