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Exactly, so why do so many of us have high value expectations? Someone should probably point that out to them. :skip:


:patrice: If your image consultant suggests you lose some weight, do you expect them to also become your personal trainer? Or do they simply recommend you seek one out?


The problem is that people look at him as an image consultant. Just because he said he was one doesn't mean hes good at it or worth consulting with. It's better to have someone that does that full time and in person instead of as a side hustle if you actually need one.

What he's good at is being a talk radio personality and people latch on to him as a guru or a mentor for things he doesn't have a demonstrated body of work in. He's an entertainer but dangerously some people are listening to him as if hes an expert on anything he's speaking on.

He regurgitates stats and repackages concepts in a style other people have constructed/pioneered. That's not a bad thing, but he's not someone that (in a way I've seen or know of) is especially qualified to be an expert on anything he speaks on.

He likes to say "show your work" and when it comes to entertainment he does. When it comes to anything else his credentials start to look like vaporware.
 

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The problem is that people look at him as an image consultant. Just because he said he was one doesn't mean hes good at it or worth consulting with. It's better to have someone that does that full time and in person instead of as a side hustle if you actually need one.

What he's good at is being a talk radio personality and people latch on to him as a guru or a mentor for things he doesn't have a demonstrated body of work in. He's an entertainer but dangerously some people are listening to him as if hes an expert on anything he's speaking on.

He regurgitates stats and repackages concepts in a style other people have constructed/pioneered. That's not a bad thing, but he's not someone that (in a way I've seen or know of) is especially qualified to be an expert on anything he speaks on.

He likes to say "show your work" and when it comes to entertainment he does. When it comes to anything else his credentials start to look like vaporware.

:mjlol:

99.7% of people dont even take his advice for “improvement”. You didn’t need to type all that to say you dont like the man.
 

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:mjlol:

99.7% of people dont even take his advice for “improvement”. You didn’t need to type all that to say you dont like the man.

I dont know the man to like him or not, critique and hate are not the same thing. I think he is an excellent entertainer who will continue to do well on YouTube and could eventually get into Talk Radio

I didn't mention anyone seeking improvement, but I think you're right most people watching don't use his talking points to improve, they use his conversations with women to justify their viewpoint.

Too many people here use his terminology and reference him too much for people not to be taking him seriously tho.
 
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That's not a bad thing, but he's not someone that (in a way I've seen or know of) is especially qualified to be an expert on anything he speaks on.
:gucci: 'Dont be fat and surly' and 'get a real job before you start a family' is so ground breaking that only an expert at the top of his field is qualified to present it to the public?
 

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:gucci: 'Dont be fat and surly' and 'get a real job before you start a family' is so ground breaking that only an expert at the top of his field is qualified to present it to the public?

take a step back and look at the concepts you’re having to explain then ask yourself why on earth would you even need to explain this stuff to someone over the age of 16.
 

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take a step back and look at the concepts you’re having to explain then ask yourself why on earth would you even need to explain this stuff to someone over the age of 16.
:sas1: But im not explaining, I'm mostly asking questions. It's a technique my grandmother called 'play the fool to find the fool,' essentially the socratic method as described by a woman who picked cotton when she should have been in middle school.

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:sas1: But im not explaining, I'm mostly asking questions. It's a technique my grandmother called 'play the fool to find the fool,' essentially the socratic method as described by a woman who picked cotton when she should have been in middle school.

:sas2:

yall got more patience than me lol. I send all these weirdos to the sunken place. :hubie:
 

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:gucci: 'Dont be fat and surly' and 'get a real job before you start a family' is so ground breaking that only an expert at the top of his field is qualified to present it to the public?

It shouldn't be and yet much of his audience laudes him as someone to take seriously as such. But that is typical in the manosphere. Look at how he is perceived on this forum. I have no issue with his popularity but if he wasn't considered a valid source of information he wouldn't be lauded here and in other places the way he is.

I think you misunderstand me (which based on a statement you made seems purposeful), I'm not arguing whether he can present what he says or not, he clearly can and does to much success. My point is that it has almost no value beyond entertainment. It requires so little perception it can barely be called edifying to the average person. Yet there are people who use his statements to justify their own lack of accountability. Those people do not see him as just entertainment and I believe they make up the majority of people who pay for his services in the form of donations and "consultations".

Women and men pay for these consultations from someone that has shown little nuance, will run from anyone presenting a real counter argument on his platform, and has not shown (to my knowledge) that he has any knowledge of value that is worth paying for.
 

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My point is that it has almost no value beyond entertainment. It requires so little perception it can barely be called edifying to the average person. Yet there are people who use his statements to justify their own lack of accountability
If his talking points are so obvious, why is everybody arguing against them?

You're blaming him for how his listeners twist his words?

Im not intent on misunderstanding you. Youre blaming him for things that are not his fault while simultaneously refusing to give him credit for educating overgrown children whose parents neglected to give them basic freaking information about life. Its like the other poster wanting him to give financial advice.

How about we just let that man do what he gon do and stop back seat driving? Its weird, breh.
 

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This is amazing. One guy starts doing dating advice for women for 7 months and the world is turned upside down. People doing 8 hour clubhouse chats on him, response videos, bitter women are ganging up on him like hyenas to expose him or take him down, people just mention his name in their videos and it will do numbers.

Dude is a YouTube stimulus package right now.
 
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