Facts, good luck with law school breh
Kasich 2020
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Kasich can’t defeat trump unless he changes his stance on immigration, he needs to have a moment of clarity like hil did
Nah 
He got sonned by Trump, you get no do overs getting sonned by that moron
He got sonned by Trump, you get no do overs getting sonned by that moron
Ya'all are assuming that Kaisch will split the vote in a way that helps the Democrats. I'm not so certain about that.
Damn near everyone on the right who would ever dream of voting for Trump is gonna vote for Trump. His voting base is set.
But there's a whole "Never Trump" right wing contingent too. Whoever runs for the Dems is going to get some votes from right-wingers who just can't imagine voting for Trump.
What if Kaisch runs? Then those right-wingers actually have an option other than the Dem. He won't take many votes either way, but there's a chance he could take MORE votes from the Democratic candidate than he takes from Trump, just from the "Never Trumpers" who are looking for some way out.
I don't think anyone on the right affects Trump's candidacy unless they are extremely popular, or they make REALLY strong arguments against him in the primary that are then mimicked by the Democrat in the general, only they hold more weight because "even the republicans" have said it.
(edit: That's why it was REALLY stupid for the Dems to run Hillary in 2016. She was the only candidate so hated that even people who hated Trump and didn't want him to win still sat out the election rather than admit to themselves that they had voted for her.)
Damn near everyone on the right who would ever dream of voting for Trump is gonna vote for Trump. His voting base is set.
But there's a whole "Never Trump" right wing contingent too. Whoever runs for the Dems is going to get some votes from right-wingers who just can't imagine voting for Trump.
What if Kaisch runs? Then those right-wingers actually have an option other than the Dem. He won't take many votes either way, but there's a chance he could take MORE votes from the Democratic candidate than he takes from Trump, just from the "Never Trumpers" who are looking for some way out.
I don't think anyone on the right affects Trump's candidacy unless they are extremely popular, or they make REALLY strong arguments against him in the primary that are then mimicked by the Democrat in the general, only they hold more weight because "even the republicans" have said it.
(edit: That's why it was REALLY stupid for the Dems to run Hillary in 2016. She was the only candidate so hated that even people who hated Trump and didn't want him to win still sat out the election rather than admit to themselves that they had voted for her.)
thats why im saying he should challenge in a primary, not a general election. i think any candidate other than trump is going to split more votes from the dem than him
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Slim
Superstar
Man, one of the highlights of following the 2016 Election on here was watching @smitty22 drag Kasich relentlessly.
Kasich name was like a bat-signal and anyone who uttered the slightest compliment about him got negged by smitty.
Anyway, as has been mentioned, Trump approval is sky high with Republicans. This would be wasted effort by any Republican.
Kasich name was like a bat-signal and anyone who uttered the slightest compliment about him got negged by smitty.
Anyway, as has been mentioned, Trump approval is sky high with Republicans. This would be wasted effort by any Republican.
as it should be :conway:Man, one of the highlights of following the 2016 Election on here was watching @smitty22 drag Kasich relentlessly.
Kasich name was like a bat-signal and anyone who uttered the slightest compliment about him got negged by smitty.
Anyway, as has been mentioned, Trump approval is sky high with Republicans. This would be wasted effort by any Republican.
he gutted their education system. just cause he isnt rude in debates like trump doesnt mean he should get any kind of pass
the cac mamba
Veteran
you know whats a crazy scenario? unlikely, but i think it happened to obama
what if trump wins the 2020 election....but the senate goes democrat?
he'd be putting his fukkin papers in on jan 21st
what if trump wins the 2020 election....but the senate goes democrat?
he'd be putting his fukkin papers in on jan 21st
you know whats a crazy scenario? unlikely, but i think it happened to obama
what if trump wins the 2020 election....but the senate goes democrat?
At that point Trump might say "fukk it" and go facist and block everything that gets to his desk, and just use executive orders to do what he wants.
Even with a majority it's hard to imagine Dems getting enough Rethugs onboard to actually impeach him.
Great perspective....
the cac mamba
Veteran
but kasich wouldnt run as a third party, right? he'd be primary or bust
running as a third party loser would tarnish him forever with no chance of winning, i dont see him doing that
Uncle Phil 36
All Star
Man if he ran as third party, it would be simply to screw over Trump. Doe he dislike him that much?
He can say goodbye to a lot of people and opportunities lol.
He might be able to siphon away enough votes to give Trump no chance to win with him in it
how are we quantifying greatest ? cause George Bush Sr , not saying he was good but >>>>>>>>>Trump. Trump is either the worst or 2nd worst president ever, toss up with W
@smitty22
The elephant in the room is that Trump is the greatest Republican POTUS since Reagan and a hypothetical primary challenge won't hurt him.
Also, consider...
If you want to beat Trump, then build on what was accomplished in Kansas, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan in 2018. If you want to end Republicanism, then don't squander the enthusiasm that Abrams, Gillum, and O'Rourke generated in their respective states.
- Fox News propaganda would inoculate Republicans from whatever Kasich tried to pull.
- People who think the borders and immigration are not going to vote for Democrats.
- Trump is delivering on the culture wars that these fascists are overly invested in.
- Corporate donors are getting everything they wanted and more with the Trump regime.
- Trump generates turnout and activates white identity politics in ways no other Republican can.
- Republicans will vote for their party before ceding power to Democrats.
There's no need for this on a wing and a prayer stuff, the electoral map is clear.
W's administration was way worse
I say his administration because cheney ran that shyt
And if kasich goes 3rd party the dem wins automatically