Kanye West vs Alchemist by year

[TheDarceKnight]

Kanye has banged out some hot beats over the years but I'm going with Alchemist. One of the best producers in hip hop history and schooled by one of the greatest too.

Muggs has some classic sh!t out there. The Temples Of Boom album alone puts him in legend status. I heard Alchemist put work into that album as well so he gets more points IMO.

Props for knowing that. Al ghosted a lot of Temples of Boom but neither Muggs nor Al will ever say exactly what he did or didn't do. I just consider it a Muggs and Al production.

this still give me chills

Evidence - Sleep Deprivation - YouTube

Not many people up on that, since it was on the iTunes bonus. What'd you think of the other beats of his on Cats & Dogs. Red Carpet obviously is most people's favorite, but I love Crash, especially since the beat was literally made by accident. Make It Mine got cut at the last minute, and I heard that was fire, and Ev said he would release it on Twitter, but never did. StepBrothers album maybe?

This Bronson/Evidence song prod. ALC called bytch I Deserve You is supposed to be crazy. I think they're doing a video for that.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

ALC all day, even his pre-2000 work was better than Ye's. Only dope beat Ye had pre-00 was "The Truth".

@him making "Hot Spot" and the Harlem World(group) album. Gotta start somewhere, I guess

I've always said Alchemist was doing Blueprint style beats 2 years before Blueprint. Jay told him, "You're playing for the wrong team" at a party somewhere when Blueprint was being recorded.

The Truth is hot though. I really love Kanye's beats through 05. I still like them after that, but his run from 00-05 before he had so many co-producers coming in and going ham with orchestras and all that was my favorite years of Kanye beats.

Honestly, in terms of pure skill, Just Blaze is arguably the best on earth, but that's another discussion. I'd definitely take ALC's catalog over Ye's through the years, but any big producer fan knows that ALC has tons, and I mean tons, of great beats wasted on terrible hood rappers, mostly QB dudes people have never heard of. There are some great beats of his where I cannot make it through the song. Illa Ghee, Mr. Challish, etc.

 

[ManBearPig]

i'm about to get into Domo Genesis album.

Alchemist is on a tear this year

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

I've always said Alchemist was doing Blueprint style beats 2 years before Blueprint. Jay told him, "You're playing for the wrong team" at a party somewhere when Blueprint was being recorded.

The Truth is hot though. I really love Kanye's beats through 05. I still like them after that, but his run from 00-05 before he had so many co-producers coming in and going ham with orchestras and all that was my favorite years of Kanye beats.

Honestly, in terms of pure skill, Just Blaze is arguably the best on earth, but that's another discussion. I'd definitely take ALC's catalog over Ye's through the years, but any big producer fan knows that ALC has tons, and I mean tons, of great beats wasted on terrible hood rappers, mostly QB dudes people have never heard of. There are some great beats of his where I cannot make it through the song. Illa Ghee, Mr. Challish, etc.

I feel that's the only flaw Alc has, he wastes good beats on a lot of mediocre rappers that people don't even bother to check. If I wasn't a huge Mobb Deep fan I would have overlooked all the bangers he was giving the Mobb affiliates.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I feel that's the only flaw Alc has, he wastes good beats on a lot of mediocre rappers that people don't even bother to check. If I wasn't a huge Mobb Deep fan I would have overlooked all the bangers he was giving the Mobb affiliates.

I've met a lot of producers, from well known to semi-well known, and a lot of them address this issue that people often bring up by saying, "I don't have a limited number of beats. I can make bangers forever so I don't have a problem letting some heat go to mediocre people every now and then."

I don't disagree with you though. It sucks when you hear something and go, "Damn, Nas or Jay would have killed this!"

 

[head shots101]

ALC is my fav hands down....... when it comes to beat making I give it to Alc that nikka can chop your face into a beat...that nikka chop sample game is crazy but in terms of overall producers I give it to Kanye

 

[Grand Eeezus Maxwell]

I've always said Alchemist was doing Blueprint style beats 2 years before Blueprint. Jay told him, "You're playing for the wrong team" at a party somewhere when Blueprint was being recorded.

The Truth is hot though. I really love Kanye's beats through 05. I still like them after that, but his run from 00-05 before he had so many co-producers coming in and going ham with orchestras and all that was my favorite years of Kanye beats.

Honestly, in terms of pure skill, Just Blaze is arguably the best on earth, but that's another discussion. I'd definitely take ALC's catalog over Ye's through the years, but any big producer fan knows that ALC has tons, and I mean tons, of great beats wasted on terrible hood rappers, mostly QB dudes people have never heard of. There are some great beats of his where I cannot make it through the song. Illa Ghee, Mr. Challish, etc.

I thought the IM3 albums were dope. On the 3rd one they had a few knock-off ALC beats, tho(i.e., "Borderline")

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I thought the IM3 albums were dope. On the 3rd one they had a few knock-off ALC beats, tho(i.e., "Borderline")

Believe it or not, I wasn't including IM3 in that list. I love Special Edition and all the work ALC has done with TWIN. I was thinking more Mr. Challish, Blitz, Illa Ghee, etc.

 

[Ohene]

both top 10. but being a mobb stan first and foremost....allc

*bump backwards, queues my priorities*

 

[THE 101]

Kanye just slightly.

Beat for beat Al might be better, but Kanye has made more truly great music.

But let's face it..............neither are fukking with Madlib

 

[yesiambowling]

I prefer Alchemist, that spaced out grimey shyt is more my style plus I like the samples that he chooses.

 

[Ohene]

madlib might be the most overrated ever

 

[Grand_Verbalizer]

Props for knowing that. Al ghosted a lot of Temples of Boom but neither Muggs nor Al will ever say exactly what he did or didn't do. I just consider it a Muggs and Al production.

ALC is sick but let's be real he has nothing remotely close to TOB in his catalog and 2. he was like 15 years old at the time

 

[George's Dilemma]

Kanye just slightly.

Beat for beat Al might be better, but Kanye has made more truly great music.

But let's face it..............neither are fukking with Madlib

I was thinking about how to word it, but this right here. On top of Alchemist wasting so many beautiful productions on subpar emcees, he doesn't have as many memorable classic songs and albums as Kanye does. The die hard underground head might disagree with that summation, but I think most will agree Kanye has more big splash moments in Hip Hop than Al does. I still prefer Alchemist production over Kanye too, but the difference between the two is quantity vs quality.

 

[ManBearPig]

But let's face it..............neither are fukking with Madlib