"Kamala isn't black" even if that were true, so fukking what

[Professor Emeritus]

Kamala is Black, because her father is Jamaican. Barack Obama is Black, because his father is Kenyan.

Kamala is not an African American, because an African American is a person whose ancestors were descended from slaves in the United States.

When did that become the definition of African-American?

Kamala's parents literally met at a meeting of the Afro-American Association, where her dad was the featured speaker, and both of her parents became very heavily involved in the Black radical movements that birthed the Black Panthers, Black Studies, and Kwanzaa. When she was growing up and African-American became popularized, it definitely would have been used to refer to Black women born in America like her, regardless of their lineage. Most people didn't start splitting hairs over the term like that until the 2000s, and even then the hair-splitting was only in fringe circles. I doubt a single serious person had ever told her "You're not African-American because your dad is Jamaican" until she entered politics.


"I identify as African-American — that's how I'm treated and that's how I'm viewed. I'm proud of it." - Barack Obama



The National Museum of African-American History and Culture includes Colin Powell, Marcus Garvey, Stokely Carmichael, Carlos Cooks, etc.

Honoring General Colin Powell

Gen. Colin Luther Powell, our nation’s first African American Secretary of State, was a revered military hero, four-star general, decorated veteran, and statesman. His accomplishments during his decades of military and civil service—including being a recipient of the Soldier’s Medal, the Bronze...

nmaahc.si.edu

Colin Powell is officially honored by the military as the first African-American chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Obama is honored as the first African-American Commander in Chief. Should they give those titles back and tell them they're not African-American anymore?

General Colin Powell was the First African American chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the U.S. Army

General Colin Powell was the First African American chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the U.S. Army. The United States Army pays tribute to African American Soldiers who have served honorably from the Revolutionary War to today's Overseas Operations.

www.army.mil

President Barack Obama is an African American in the U.S. Army

The United States Army pays tribute to black Soldiers who have served honorably from the Revolutionary War to today's Overseas Operations.

www.army.mil

U.S. Government defines Colin Powell as "African-American" across every site - State Department, Defense Department, Arlington National Cemetary:

Colin Luther Powell - People - Department History - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

https://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Notable-Graves/African-American-History/Colin-Powell

First Black Joint Chiefs Chairman Also Was the Youngest

Retired Army Gen. Colin L. Powell, who was an ROTC cadet, rose to become the first Black chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the youngest, and later served as secretary of state, died today at

www.defense.gov

Obama's own presidential library says he's the first African-American president, as does the official White House website. Obama identified that way in public. Is Obama a liar?

President Barack Obama | Barack Obama Presidential Library

www.obamalibrary.gov

Barack Obama

When Barack Obama was elected president in 2008, he became the first African American to hold the office. Obama faced ma...

www.whitehousehistory.org

Y'all let the internet define reality for you too often. In real life, Kamala at Howard in the 1980s coming from a Black background is definitely going to be considered African-American by herself and the people around her, and she's not going to suddenly change her identity in her 60s because someone on the internet decided the word needed to be redefined.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That bytch came from 1of the highest caste in India..she is an elitist high yella bytch....

Why y'all so fixated on choosing a new massa that y'all will crawl, beg, and whine to get one.

Pathetic

You desperately want Trump to win the election and yet you're bytching about which caste Kamala's mother left when she joined up with Black radicals.

You've never spoken a single serious political opinion, just vented this emotional crap about how much you want the Democrats to lose.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I definitely didn't say she's too rich. Can you site your source for me? If I'm wrong I say that.

You said:

I mean since we on the subject I don't believe she grew up middle class either. Both her parents seemed well off. Pops was like a econ professor and mother a scientist.

That implies you think she was too rich to be considered middle class, right? It definitely doesn't seem like you were calling her too poor to be middle class.

And I replied pointing out that if someone grows up renting apartments in black neighborhoods, going to nearly half-black public schools, and her single mother can't even afford their first mortgage until she's in high school....then it's pretty damn unlikely that she's too rich to be considered "middle class".

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

She looks evil to me, but it's pick your poison.Like always.

 

[Po pimp]

Kamala is Black, because her father is Jamaican. Barack Obama is Black, because his father is Kenyan.

Kamala is not an African American, because an African American is a person whose ancestors were descended from slaves in the United States.

This is the issue with the term African-American. By your definition, Barack Obama isn’t an African-American, but he literally is with his dad being Kenyan and him being born in the USA.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This is the issue with the term African-American. By your definition, Barack Obama isn’t an African-American, but he literally is with his dad being Kenyan and him being born in the USA.

Remember when Biden got attacked for calling Obama articulate and clean?


"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."



Lots of people had a problem with what he said, but I don't remember any of them saying that "Obama isn't African-American" was the problem.


In addition to Obama downplaying the comments, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who also ran for president in 1988, also said he did not think Biden was being racist. However, Jackson did say that he called Biden to talk to him about it.

"Knowing Joe Biden the way I do, I'm sure he didn't mean it as off-color, but it is certainly highly suggestive," Jackson said in an interview with CNN.



Strange that Jesse Jackson himself didn't use the moment to point out that Obama isn't African-Ameican, considering he popularized the term and all.

 

[Samori Toure]

This is the issue with the term African-American. By your definition, Barack Obama isn’t an African-American, but he literally is with his dad being Kenyan and him being born in the USA.

When did that become the definition of African-American?

Kamala's parents literally met at a meeting of the Afro-American Association, where her dad was the featured speaker, and both of her parents became very heavily involved in the Black radical movements that birthed the Black Panthers, Black Studies, and Kwanzaa. When she was growing up and African-American became popularized, it definitely would have been used to refer to Black women born in America like her, regardless of their lineage. Most people didn't start splitting hairs over the term like that until the 2000s, and even then the hair-splitting was only in fringe circles. I doubt a single serious person had ever told her "You're not African-American because your dad is Jamaican" until she entered politics.


"I identify as African-American — that's how I'm treated and that's how I'm viewed. I'm proud of it." - Barack Obama



The National Museum of African-American History and Culture includes Colin Powell, Marcus Garvey, Stokely Carmichael, Carlos Cooks, etc.

Honoring General Colin Powell

Gen. Colin Luther Powell, our nation’s first African American Secretary of State, was a revered military hero, four-star general, decorated veteran, and statesman. His accomplishments during his decades of military and civil service—including being a recipient of the Soldier’s Medal, the Bronze...

nmaahc.si.edu

Colin Powell is officially honored by the military as the first African-American chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Obama is honored as the first African-American Commander in Chief. Should they give those titles back and tell them they're not African-American anymore?

General Colin Powell was the First African American chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the U.S. Army

General Colin Powell was the First African American chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the U.S. Army. The United States Army pays tribute to African American Soldiers who have served honorably from the Revolutionary War to today's Overseas Operations.

www.army.mil

President Barack Obama is an African American in the U.S. Army

The United States Army pays tribute to black Soldiers who have served honorably from the Revolutionary War to today's Overseas Operations.

www.army.mil

U.S. Government defines Colin Powell as "African-American" across every site - State Department, Defense Department, Arlington National Cemetary:

Colin Luther Powell - People - Department History - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

https://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Notable-Graves/African-American-History/Colin-Powell

First Black Joint Chiefs Chairman Also Was the Youngest

Retired Army Gen. Colin L. Powell, who was an ROTC cadet, rose to become the first Black chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the youngest, and later served as secretary of state, died today at

www.defense.gov

Obama's own presidential library says he's the first African-American president, as does the official White House website. Obama identified that way in public. Is Obama a liar?

President Barack Obama | Barack Obama Presidential Library

www.obamalibrary.gov

Barack Obama

When Barack Obama was elected president in 2008, he became the first African American to hold the office. Obama faced ma...

www.whitehousehistory.org

Y'all let the internet define reality for you too often. In real life, Kamala at Howard in the 1980s coming from a Black background is definitely going to be considered African-American by herself and the people around her, and she's not going to suddenly change her identity in her 60s because someone on the internet decided the word needed to be redefined.

The term African American has been around since the 1700s to describe Black Americans descended from slaves in the USA. It goes to ethnicity, but people over the years have corrupted the phrase to included people from other places.

Use of ‘African-American’ Dates to Nation’s Early Days​

By Jennifer Schuessler

Use of ‘African-American’ Dates to Nation’s Early Days (Published 2015)

A researcher has discovered a sermon from 1782 credited to an anonymous “African American” which would push the known origins of the term back more than 50 years.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Samori Toure]

This is the issue with the term African-American. By your definition, Barack Obama isn’t an African-American, but he literally is with his dad being Kenyan and him being born in the USA.

Barack Obama might actually be an African American, but it is not through his dad but instead it is through his mother.. So if true then he would be an African American as he was descended from slaves in the USA. So there is the distinction between Harris and Obama.

Ancestry website: Obama's mother descended from first US slave​

CHICAGO -- A family history website claims it has linked President Barack Obama to the first documented African slave in the American colonies.
Research by Ancestry.com from early Virginia records and DNA analysis shows Obama is the 11th great-grandson of John Punch, an indentured servant in Colonial Virginia who became enslaved for life after trying to escape in 1640, according to the website.

The findings were released about 100 days out from the presidential election. Obama's campaign headquarters are based in Chicago.

View NBCChicago.com's story on Ancestry.com claims

Ancestry.com genealogists researched Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, and discovered her land-owner ancestors descended from Punch. According to the site, Punch had children with a white woman who passed her free status to her children, who went on to become successful land owners in Colonial Virginia.

"Two of the most historically significant African Americans in the history of our country are amazingly directly related," said Ancestry.com genealogist Joseph Shumway in a statement. "John Punch was more than likely the genesis of legalized slavery in America. But after centuries of suffering, the Civil War, and decades of civil rights efforts, his 11th great-grandson became the leader of the free world and the ultimate realization of the American Dream."

Ancestry.com called on a past Board for Certification of Genealogists president to perform a third-party review of the research.

"A careful consideration of the evidence convinces me that the Y-DNA evidence of African origin is indisputable," said Elizabeth Shown Mills in a statement, "and the surviving paper trail points solely to John Punch as the logical candidate."

Ancestry website: Obama's mother descended from first US slave

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The term African American has been around since the 1700s to describe Black Americans descended from slaves in the USA. It goes to ethnicity, but people over the years have corrupted the phrase to included people from other places.

Use of ‘African-American’ Dates to Nation’s Early Days​

By Jennifer Schuessler

Use of ‘African-American’ Dates to Nation’s Early Days (Published 2015)

A researcher has discovered a sermon from 1782 credited to an anonymous “African American” which would push the known origins of the term back more than 50 years.

www.nytimes.com

I'm confused why you think that article helps your case. It says nothing at all about African-American being limited to descendants of slavery, and in fact the person using it seems to be a free Black who never makes any claim of slave ancestry.



"But now, a researcher has discovered a printed reference in an anti-British sermon from 1782 credited to an anonymous “African American,” pushing the origins of the term back to the earliest days of independence."


"The speaker also addresses fellow “descendants of Africa” who feel loyalty to Britain, asking: 'Tell me in plain and simple language, have ye not been disappointed? Have ye reaped what you labored for?'"


“Was it a freeman?” Mr. Shapiro said. “A slave? We don’t know.”


"In it, the speaker boasts about the capture of Cornwallis and decries the British assault on “the freedom of the free born sons of America” while nodding toward the fact of “my own complexion.”"

“My beloved countrymen, if I may be permitted thus to call you, who am a descendant of the sable race,” one passage begins.




Nowhere in the article or in the original speech does it say "African-American" is limited to slaves or the descendants of slaves. If you're so certain that that's the original meaning, then why don't you just link me the earliest evidence of that being the definition?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Barack Obama might actually be an African American, but it is not through his dad but instead it is through his mother.. So if true then he would be an African American as he was descended from slaves in the USA. So there is the distinction between Harris and Obama.

Y'all have officially jumped the shark.

"Obama is African-American through his MOTHER" is the most ridiculous internet-only thing I've ever heard.

 

[The Phoenix]

80-85 % of black voters are going to vote for Kamala

It's more like 90-95%. And if the candidate had been Tim Walz, it would have been about the same.

 

[Samori Toure]

I'm confused why you think that article helps your case. It says nothing at all about African-American being limited to descendants of slavery, and in fact the person using it seems to be a free Black who never makes any claim of slave ancestry.



"But now, a researcher has discovered a printed reference in an anti-British sermon from 1782 credited to an anonymous “African American,” pushing the origins of the term back to the earliest days of independence."


"The speaker also addresses fellow “descendants of Africa” who feel loyalty to Britain, asking: 'Tell me in plain and simple language, have ye not been disappointed? Have ye reaped what you labored for?'"


“Was it a freeman?” Mr. Shapiro said. “A slave? We don’t know.”


"In it, the speaker boasts about the capture of Cornwallis and decries the British assault on “the freedom of the free born sons of America” while nodding toward the fact of “my own complexion.”"

“My beloved countrymen, if I may be permitted thus to call you, who am a descendant of the sable race,” one passage begins.




Nowhere in the article or in the original speech does it say "African-American" is limited to slaves or the descendants of slaves. If you're so certain that that's the original meaning, then why don't you just link me the earliest evidence of that being the definition?

Yes broah you are confused along with millions of other people. Black is a color. It is not an ethnicity. People clearly don't know the difference between color and ethnicity. Over the years African American has given way to other terms like negro, moor, colored, Black, Afro American, etc. African American means now what it meant then, but people have corrupted what it meant so now people are trying to come up with some other phrases like ADOS to try to differentiate American Black people descended from slaves in the USA.

 

[At30wecashout]

“I’m not voting/im voting for Trump” babble.

This kinda conversation is like we see a meteor coming for Earth and black people start arguing against stopping it cause it would also save people of other races I hate the whole “we are the only race that does xxx” trope but I have to be convinced at this point that other races are having as dumb an argument as we are as a reason to not vote for one candidate when the other is LITERALLY A WHITE SUPREMACIST ICON! That fukk kinda retarded ass blackity black nonsense is this.

Quoth a dumbass “We gotta vote Trump so we can have a chance.”

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

"So fukking what?"

It would make her a liar. But she's a better person than Trump but that's not really something to be proud of because dude sets the bar so damn low.


I mean since we on the subject I don't believe she grew up middle class either. Both her parents seemed well off. Pops was like a econ professor and mother a scientist.

How much do you think professors make? Especially ones that aren't tenured?

 

[TheJet]

Let's be real Donald Trump stoked the fires of racism and identity politics and too many of us fell for it this time around.

Yts don't get to say who is or who ain't black . It's beyond offensive.