Justice Department now says courts should strike the entire Affordable Care Act

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what do you consider anything?
well lets see, to work in the healthcare field you have to go to college and pay that off, to provide that "right" to other people. meanwhile this medicare for all system is gonna require a massive expenditure by the taxpayer

how the fukk can you say someone has a "right" to any of that? you can say that you think it's the way things should be, and that's fine. but "right"? im sorry, i disagree

and who has this proposed right? anyone in america, or only its citizens?
 

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well lets see, to work in the healthcare field you have to go to college and pay that off, to provide that "right" to other people. meanwhile this medicare for all system is gonna require a massive expenditure by the taxpayer

how the fukk can you say someone has a "right" to any of that? you can say that you think it's the way things should be, and that's fine. but "right"? im sorry, i disagree

and who has this proposed right? anyone in america, or only its citizens?
just wondering what you mean by anything. when someone is walking around with a rifle on their shoulder, it's their legal right (in an open carry state), but other people are giving up something: peace of mind/being on edge, increased stress, panic could be induced, etc. we have to adapt to people exercising their rights in our society every day.

and with traditional medicare people who went to college and work in the healthcare field get paid by the govt or the private company that's providing supplemental insurance and they use those wages to pay their loans. speaking of supplemental insurance, i hope M4A advocates point out that traditional medicare doesn't cover everything either.
 

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just wondering what you mean by anything. when someone is walking around with a rifle on their shoulder, it's their legal right (in an open carry state), but other people are giving up something: peace of mind/being on edge, increased stress, panic could be induced, etc. we have to adapt to people exercising their rights in our society every day.

and with traditional medicare people who went to college and work in the healthcare field get paid by the govt or the private company that's providing supplemental insurance and they use those wages to pay their loans. speaking of supplemental insurance, i hope M4A advocates point out that traditional medicare doesn't cover everything either.
i dont think it's a comparison at all :yeshrug: but again, matter of opinion. and i noticed you had no interest in touching who has this right, american citizens or anyone who happens to be in the country. they'll have to answer that before they roll this out
 

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i dont think it's a comparison at all :yeshrug: but again, matter of opinion. and i noticed you had no interest in touching who has this right, american citizens or anyone who happens to be in the country. they'll have to answer that before they roll this out
you might not see it as a comparison but the people suffering ill health from stress/anxiety inducing situations might not see it that way.

only eligible workers who contribute via payroll taxes should be able to qualify for this expanded medicare just like traditional medicare (premium free part A). as for just showing up to a hospital when you need help. even heartless reagan signed into law that hospitals can't deny anyone care. nah i'll leave that to people like you.
 

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only eligible workers who contribute via payroll taxes should be able to qualify for this expanded medicare just like traditional medicare (premium free part A). as for just showing up to a hospital when you need help. even heartless reagan signed into law that hospitals can't deny anyone care. nah i'll leave that to people like you.
good, so you want to add people who are here illegally to the government's burden

theres nothing wrong with that, just prepare for backlash when they try to roll it out because democrats are such cowards on illegal immigration. imagine trying to defend that bullshyt on a debate stage :mjlol:

as long as medicare for all doesnt balloon everyone's taxes, i support it. but i really, truly do not trust the american government to pull that off :yeshrug:
 

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good, so you want to add people who are here illegally to the government's burden

theres nothing wrong with that, just prepare for backlash when they try to roll it out because democrats are such cowards on illegal immigration. imagine trying to defend that bullshyt on a debate stage :mjlol:

as long as medicare for all doesnt balloon everyone's taxes, i support it. but i really, truly do not trust the american government to pull that off :yeshrug:
how is that adding to the burden? that's how it currently is. anyone in need of emergency care can go to a hospital right now. i never said illegal immigrants would be able to go to their local medicare office or a website and sign up for some insurance plan.
 

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how is that adding to the burden? that's how it currently is. anyone in need of emergency care can go to a hospital right now. i never said illegal immigrants would be able to go to their local medicare office or a website and sign up for some insurance plan.
yeah, and who writes it off? insurance companies and hospitals. you don't see a trend happening when the model turns that into them sticking the government for everything? :mjlol:
 
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Someone (someones?) I have on ignore is getting the fukk clowned out of them in this thread. :lolbron:



72% of Republicans know that ACA and Obamacare are the same thing. The rest are pretty much split 50/50 between "don't know" and "no, they are different".

Crazy, even more Democrats don't know that ACA and Obamacare are the same, mostly because voters under 30 (who I guess were too young for all the initial debates) poll worse on the question than anyone else.

But when it comes to "repealing Obamacare", an even larger number of people are confused.




And when they're asked whether they approve or not, rather than just what they know, their answer suddenly changes:



And when it comes to the actual details, some of the Republican ignorance pokes out a bit more:



So the majority of Republicans know that ACA means Obamacare now, but half of them don't have a clue what it actually does.
If you were to ask the average American WITH health insurance to explain what they have to you, you would be surprised by the answers. I am everyday. I don't mean this in a mean way, more of a factual way, the average American is stupid.
 

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You kinda have to be a piece of shyt if you actually want ERs to turn people away just because they're not legal, regardless of the medical system. :skip:

But single payer implemented correctly would save taxpayer money. Emergency rooms are the most expensive form of healthcare yet also the form that poor people (and illegal immigrants) are most likely to use because they end up there with easily preventable issues, and the costs get passed off in the form of higher premiums. So simply reducing ER visits by giving more people access to regular healthcare would in itself save a lot of money.
 

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yeah, and who writes it off? insurance companies and hospitals. you don't see a trend happening when the model turns that into them sticking the government for everything? :mjlol:
AGAIN, that's how it is NOW and has been that way since the mid-80's. you're acting like this shyt is brand new. that's one of the main reasons why hospitals like obamacare, in the states that had expanded medicaid they had lower non-payment rates vs the conservative states that didn't expand and more hospital closures.
 

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If you were to ask the average American WITH health insurance to explain what they have to you, you would be surprised by the answers. I am everyday. I don't mean this in a mean way, more of a factual way, the average American is stupid.

To be fair, it's pretty overcomplicated.

I'm a network engineer (who has insurance thru my job) so I like to think I'm not that stupid, but figuring out health insurance is :mindblown:. If you ask me about my plan I'm like :yeshrug: .
 

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You kinda have to be a piece of shyt if you actually want ERs to turn people away just because they're not legal, regardless of the medical system. :skip:

But single payer implemented correctly would save taxpayer money. Emergency rooms are the most expensive form of healthcare yet also the form that poor people (and illegal immigrants) are most likely to use because they end up there with easily preventable issues, and the costs get passed off in the form of higher premiums. So simply reducing ER visits by giving more people access to regular healthcare would in itself save a lot of money.
but that's the problem. i think it's fair to have concerns that it WILL NOT be implemented correctly :dead:

would you agree? what undertaking has this government ever done efficiently, that you would compare against implementing medicare for all?
 

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AGAIN, that's how it is NOW and has been that way since the mid-80's. you're acting like this shyt is brand new. that's one of the main reasons why hospitals like obamacare, in the states that had expanded medicaid they had lower non-payment rates vs the conservative states that didn't expand and more hospital closures.
you know what breh, show me the numbers that dont result in a middle class tax increase past what they pay for insurance and im all for it

until then, i have concerns. this is the same government that brought you "22 trillion in debt"
 
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To be fair, it's pretty overcomplicated.

I'm a network engineer (who has insurance thru my job) so I like to think I'm not that stupid, but figuring out health insurance is :mindblown:. If you ask me about my plan I'm like :yeshrug: .
You would represent the average American. Put it this way, if you don't already know look up how much you spend a month on health insurance. Then ask yourself is it worth understanding something I am spending that much money on. Especially involving your health. That's a big reason these companies are getting away with it. People willingly give them money and ask no questions. Until its too late
 
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If you were to ask the average American WITH health insurance to explain what they have to you, you would be surprised by the answers. I am everyday. I don't mean this in a mean way, more of a factual way, the average American is stupid.

Truth is though that life has gotten too complicated to even expect people to understand everything. And corporations often have a vested interest in keeping it that way and intentionally make it more complex.

I don't completely blame people for not understanding everything that goes on with those systems (I didn't go to the dentist for the first five years I worked cause I didn't understand that my rather good health insurance policy was covering that shyt). They don't make it easy on you.

I just blame people for making ignorant, spiteful decisions about what other people will get, especially when they don't understand that it's gonna hurt them too.
 
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