That was more Toronto than Whiteside. They weren't feeding Val all the game.
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That was more Toronto than Whiteside. They weren't feeding Val all the game.
Groanman
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I'm just gonna say it. Given all of the injuries and horrible ref calls, we shouldn't even made it to a game 7.
We have something special here in the 305 and we have no reason to hang our heads down.
The youth on this squad has no ceiling.
I'm glad Bosh didn't show up because a nga didn't want to see a death on the court.
D-Wade is still that nga and fukk all you hating ass metrics liberal fakkits.
Peace to LeBron James. I hope they destroy them Canadian pieces of shyt. Matter of fact, I will root for the Cavs to win it all this season. fukk it. These light skinned ngas think they tough now?!
We have something special here in the 305 and we have no reason to hang our heads down.
The youth on this squad has no ceiling.
I'm glad Bosh didn't show up because a nga didn't want to see a death on the court.
D-Wade is still that nga and fukk all you hating ass metrics liberal fakkits.
Peace to LeBron James. I hope they destroy them Canadian pieces of shyt. Matter of fact, I will root for the Cavs to win it all this season. fukk it. These light skinned ngas think they tough now?!
Can't blame Joe for that, he just isn't built for taking on a load like that anymore. There's a reason why he's a role player at this point of his career.
havoc
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W
Most of the Heat brehs know that Spo isn't a great coach. Spo was fortunate to have three Hall of Famers players that carried the team and masked our weaknesses with their great talent. Now, he gets another pass because Bosh is out with a bloodclot and Whiteside got injured.
SadimirPutin
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Injuries aside for both teams I still feel the Heat should have won this
Lowry and DeRozan shot so badly in this series that had Miami just been average on offense themselves they could have won
Raptors have played much worse in the postseason than their regular season play
Lowry and DeRozan shot so badly in this series that had Miami just been average on offense themselves they could have won
Raptors have played much worse in the postseason than their regular season play
LV Koopa
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keep Deng 1 more year, fukk anvil head ass JJ tho
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
RIP MR. SMOKE
even casey said hassan did a great job keeping val out the paint. hassan shut him down the first half of game 2. then val had the big 4th quarter. played well to start game 3 but then they both went down. when hassan went down, val immediately looked like prime shaq out there. if our guys were attacking the boards like we did the last 4 games we woulda looked much better. after hassan went down these guys actually had to FIGHT to get rebounds. it shouldn't have taken hassan going down to do that though. but that fall in game 1 took away a lot of hassan's mobility. he was a game time decision for game 2. if it was the regular season he probably sits out. val is still a beast but hassan was clearly not at his best.
The Raptors ignored Val in game 1. Even raptor fans pointed it out that he wasn't involved in the offense but he was showing sparks of being able to score on Whiteside in one on one situations.
Hassan didn't shut him down in game 2, they tried to run it through Kyle but he was awful so they dumped it to Val who was hustling like crazy. The second they started running the offense through Val, he showed up Hassan and out hustling him especially during the clutch.
He was also abusing Whiteside during game 3 and still out hustling him before they both got injured but he was obviously coming out on top. Hassan was injured but you talking about throwing a max contract at him so this is what you expect from 26 year old franchise players who want the max...especially in the playoffs.
Val outplayed Whiteside this series, especially if you looking at impact plays. It was mostly because of injury but Whiteside deals with those kind of nagging injuries a lot so it's something you gotta expect.
Hassan just had to work on his game. He's not very fast laterally, he easily allows low post position because he thinks he can block everything, he jumps too readily, and his PnR defense is average on his best day and horrible on his worst.
Despite that, he's still an elite defensive impact but dude is still pretty damn raw on basketball IQ things. Give him Winslow's IQ and he'd be a GOAT defensive player. But Hassan is willing to learn so I think he's worth the max from us.
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
RIP MR. SMOKE
hassan played 73 games this season. that's GREAT for any big man who plays physical the way hassan does. look at a lot of these other bigs. they get around 65 games if they're lucky. these guys go through a lot of punishment on the year. this relates to what I just said in the off season thread. the heat need to get hassan a suitable sidekick for hassan at power forward. a PF who can help him on rebounds and defend down low. take some pressure off hassan so he doesn't break down. right now we're asking this dude to do a lot. look in the playoffs. teams were throwing 3-4 bodies at him on every rebound...getting boxed out from every angle. if the rest of these guys were committed to rebounding every possession it could be different but they're not. we get us a solid PF alongside hassan and his impact will only be greater.
And this series showed me that Winslow is worth it. His defensive impact is already insane. Hell, the dude was guarding Biyombo, one on one, in the post and muscling him out of position (I think we have up an offensive rebound to Patterson though) which is fukking absurd.
He could handle switching onto Lowry and Demar, on the same possession, and making them mad uncomfortable. He's already probably the most consistent defender on the team. Deng isn't quite as quick laterally but he's obviously much better offensively.
Also, how he tried to take over the game, when we were all wondering where our offense would come from, showed me how good he can be when he just lets go. Big 3, grabbing loose balls, drawing fouls, etc.
I love this kid. I think he'll end up being a monster at 23-24.
He could handle switching onto Lowry and Demar, on the same possession, and making them mad uncomfortable. He's already probably the most consistent defender on the team. Deng isn't quite as quick laterally but he's obviously much better offensively.
Also, how he tried to take over the game, when we were all wondering where our offense would come from, showed me how good he can be when he just lets go. Big 3, grabbing loose balls, drawing fouls, etc.
I love this kid. I think he'll end up being a monster at 23-24.
I actually want them to kill Toronto but I hope either GSW or OKC will do the same to them
73 games but he was still dealing with nagging injuries since we got him, breh. Remember when he had to go to the bench? Hurting his ankle?
How about the strained oblique? The calf muscle? The ankle injury? He was injured before camp and had to sit down.
Are you really forgetting all those nagging injuries he's had since we've had him?
Breh, Hassan is a SEVEN FOOTER THAT LIKES TO DUNK AND BLOCK SHOTS. He'll jump for any block he can and deals with contact constantly. When you read reports of multiple lower body injuries like ankle, calfs, and you dealing with a dude who plays like Hassan, it's huge.
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And cutting his hand too. Plus his injuries that came during the end of this season. Strained hip and then a strained mcl. You don't think that's worrisome in the slightest?
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
RIP MR. SMOKE
nagging injuries or not, he still played 73 games
.....of course it would be best if he was perfectly healthy all year, but damn near every big deals with nagging injuries all season. it's not enough for me to consider letting him walk. this game 7 showed we need to keep this dude at all costs. like you said, he's gonna come back better and stronger.
In these playoffs Deng proved he was still a legitimate threat at SF, breh. Many teams will be coming after him. I dont see how he'd come back for "cheap".
Im ready to give Winslow a shot as a starter but he has a lot to work on over the summer. Ive said this over and over the kid needs to work on his game and his body. HE CANNOT JUMP, period. This is the NBA. If you cant shoot you better be athletic as fukk and be able to jump out the gym. He has neither right now. Good thing he's only 19 and can still grow and learn
barry jackson runs some numbers and scenarios ...
The two financial advantages the Heat have in keeping Whiteside
There will be considerable debate inside the Heat over the next six weeks about how much to offer Hassan Whiteside when free agency begins July 1.
The Heat values him but someone who has spoken to the team's front office said he believes the Heat will try to convince him to take something less than the max deal he almost assuredly could get elsewhere.
(Whether the Heat will go to the max, if Whiteside balks at something less, remains to be seen. And of course, all this is moot if the Heat can sign Kevin Durant, which is Miami's No. 1 priority in free agency. If Miami can sign Durant, keeping Whiteside becomes highly unlikely. That's why the Heat needs a read on Durant before it can move forward with Whiteside.)
Whatever Miami decides to offer Whiteside (and that’s undetermined), the good news is that NBA rules allow Miami to pay Whiteside more than any other team can give him.
What’s more, even if the Heat doesn’t offer Whiteside the max (and it has the cap space to do so), a deal close to the max would earn more money for Whiteside over the next four years than a max deal with other teams would, in most cases.
Here’s why:
• Though both the Heat and other teams can offer Whiteside a contract of no more than four years, the Heat (because it has his Early Bird rights) can offer annual 7.5 percent raises over his first year salary, whereas other teams can offer only 4.5 percent annual raises, cap expert Larry c00n confirmed.
The first-year max salary for Whiteside will depend on the final cap number and could fall between $21.6 million (c00n’s estimate) and $23 million. If it’s $21.6 million, the Heat could offer Whiteside a four-year, $96.1 million contract; other teams could offer no more than $92 million over four years.
If it’s a $23 million first-year max, the Heat could offer $102.32 million over four years; others teams could offer no more than $98.17 million over four years.
• Only seven states don’t have a state income tax, and only four NBA teams play in those states (the Heat, Spurs, Mavericks and Rockets). So those teams can realistically pay players more than others.
During Carmelo Anthony’s 2014 free agency, SI.com broke down how much Anthony could make (after taxes) by signing with the Knicks and Heat. Remember that Anthony could sign for five years with New York, only four with Miami.
If only the first four years were calculated, the Knicks could have paid Anthony $99.9 million, compared with $95.9 million for the Heat. But once taxes were factored in, Anthony would have pocketed more with the Heat over those first four years ($55.3 million) than with the Knicks ($51.6 million) even though the Knicks were paying him $4 million more in salary!
And with Whiteside, the difference in income would be even more pronounced between what he would earn with the Heat and what he would earn in states with high income taxes, because unlike with Anthony, the Heat would be the team with the ability to offer 7.5 percent annual raises, compared with 4.5 percent for others.
So if Miami tries to persuade Whiteside to sign for less than the max, expect the Heat to point all of the aforementioned to Whiteside and agent Sean Kennedy.
Because Whiteside doesn’t have full Bird rights, the Heat has to fit his salary under the cap unless he takes 104.5 percent of the league average salary (about $6.5 million). And he’s not taking 104.5 percent of the league's average; his market value is obviously far above that.
A friend says Whiteside, who’s a bargain at $981,348 this season, likes it here and reveres Pat Riley. The question is this: Will that, the larger percent annual raises and lack of state tax be enough to sway Whiteside if Miami’s offer is several million dollars less that what he can get elsewhere.
Incidentally, opponents shot 54 percent from less than five feet against the Heat when Whiteside was on the court this season, 58.9 otherwise. That 54 percent was better than every starting center except Tim Duncan, Andrew Bogut and Rudy Gobert.
In the playoffs, opponents shot 53.5 percent within four feet and 30.9 percent from five to 9 feet with Whiteside on the court, 55.2 and 48.7 otherwise. And that doesn’t even take into account the shots Whiteside’s presence discourages opponents from taking.
The two financial advantages the Heat have in keeping Whiteside | Sports Buzz
The two financial advantages the Heat have in keeping Whiteside
There will be considerable debate inside the Heat over the next six weeks about how much to offer Hassan Whiteside when free agency begins July 1.
The Heat values him but someone who has spoken to the team's front office said he believes the Heat will try to convince him to take something less than the max deal he almost assuredly could get elsewhere.
(Whether the Heat will go to the max, if Whiteside balks at something less, remains to be seen. And of course, all this is moot if the Heat can sign Kevin Durant, which is Miami's No. 1 priority in free agency. If Miami can sign Durant, keeping Whiteside becomes highly unlikely. That's why the Heat needs a read on Durant before it can move forward with Whiteside.)
Whatever Miami decides to offer Whiteside (and that’s undetermined), the good news is that NBA rules allow Miami to pay Whiteside more than any other team can give him.
What’s more, even if the Heat doesn’t offer Whiteside the max (and it has the cap space to do so), a deal close to the max would earn more money for Whiteside over the next four years than a max deal with other teams would, in most cases.
Here’s why:
• Though both the Heat and other teams can offer Whiteside a contract of no more than four years, the Heat (because it has his Early Bird rights) can offer annual 7.5 percent raises over his first year salary, whereas other teams can offer only 4.5 percent annual raises, cap expert Larry c00n confirmed.
The first-year max salary for Whiteside will depend on the final cap number and could fall between $21.6 million (c00n’s estimate) and $23 million. If it’s $21.6 million, the Heat could offer Whiteside a four-year, $96.1 million contract; other teams could offer no more than $92 million over four years.
If it’s a $23 million first-year max, the Heat could offer $102.32 million over four years; others teams could offer no more than $98.17 million over four years.
• Only seven states don’t have a state income tax, and only four NBA teams play in those states (the Heat, Spurs, Mavericks and Rockets). So those teams can realistically pay players more than others.
During Carmelo Anthony’s 2014 free agency, SI.com broke down how much Anthony could make (after taxes) by signing with the Knicks and Heat. Remember that Anthony could sign for five years with New York, only four with Miami.
If only the first four years were calculated, the Knicks could have paid Anthony $99.9 million, compared with $95.9 million for the Heat. But once taxes were factored in, Anthony would have pocketed more with the Heat over those first four years ($55.3 million) than with the Knicks ($51.6 million) even though the Knicks were paying him $4 million more in salary!
And with Whiteside, the difference in income would be even more pronounced between what he would earn with the Heat and what he would earn in states with high income taxes, because unlike with Anthony, the Heat would be the team with the ability to offer 7.5 percent annual raises, compared with 4.5 percent for others.
So if Miami tries to persuade Whiteside to sign for less than the max, expect the Heat to point all of the aforementioned to Whiteside and agent Sean Kennedy.
Because Whiteside doesn’t have full Bird rights, the Heat has to fit his salary under the cap unless he takes 104.5 percent of the league average salary (about $6.5 million). And he’s not taking 104.5 percent of the league's average; his market value is obviously far above that.
A friend says Whiteside, who’s a bargain at $981,348 this season, likes it here and reveres Pat Riley. The question is this: Will that, the larger percent annual raises and lack of state tax be enough to sway Whiteside if Miami’s offer is several million dollars less that what he can get elsewhere.
Incidentally, opponents shot 54 percent from less than five feet against the Heat when Whiteside was on the court this season, 58.9 otherwise. That 54 percent was better than every starting center except Tim Duncan, Andrew Bogut and Rudy Gobert.
In the playoffs, opponents shot 53.5 percent within four feet and 30.9 percent from five to 9 feet with Whiteside on the court, 55.2 and 48.7 otherwise. And that doesn’t even take into account the shots Whiteside’s presence discourages opponents from taking.
The two financial advantages the Heat have in keeping Whiteside | Sports Buzz