Just Realized It's Very Likely LeBron Won't Win A Ring Again | Can't Win Without Wade?

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at 30, the best years of an athlete are behind em. the only wings who extended their prime into their 30s were jordan and kobe. other than that no one else did. and they were able to do it because they mastered the mid-range game and learned not to rely on their athleticism.

lebron still relies on his athleticism. being able to put his head down and get to the rim. once that goes. he goes.

These are facts, why is your rep so low?

What did you get negged so bad for?
 

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Look, LeBron had a substantial amount of help in Miami. He teamed up a Finals MVP/all-star/future HOFer/olympian and an all-star/olympian when he joined the Heat. He got even more help with the arrival of the greatest 3-point shooter of all time. And let's not act like LeBron didn't have substantial talent around him on that 2009 Cavs team.

Outside of Shaq (a legend, granted) Kobe's help on the Lakers was borderline pedestrian until Pau Gasol and, to a lesser extent, Metta World Peace joined his team.

LeBron's had more help than Kobe throughout his entire career. Anyone denying this is flat out wrong.
Do yourself a favour and watch basketball games. Past and present.
 

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they disbanded the team stupid. mo williams was traded. illguaskas left. west was gone. etc. pretty much only varejoa came back from those cavs teams after bron left.

nikkas need to stop this mthology that the cavs team stayed the same after bron left. cleveland went into full tank mode right after bron made the decision.

But still that Cavs team Lebron went to the finals with was trash compared to teams Kobe had.
 
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:beli::what: Yall know damn well Lebrons supposrting cast was ass, yall cant be serious

they were ass only because no one else on those teams could create their own shot. they were all pretty much outside shooters and defenders. you know. just the way lebron likes em. bron does not have the type of game where he can play with other ball dominant players. he can't play with guys who want the ball in the post. the only way lebron knows how to play is to dribble dribble dribble and look for his shooters.

look at how he struggled in Miami till Wade took a step back and turned into a backdoor cutter. look at how he forced bosh to become a 3-point shooter when he made his career in the paint. look at whats happening with kyrie and love right now. they both have to change their games to appease the king's style. truth of the matter is, those cavs teams were PERFECT for LeBron's skillset. everyone on the squad could defend. and they could space the floor for bron with terrific outside shooters. and most important of all....NONE OF THEM NEEDED THE BALL IN THEIR HANDS. they were perfectly structured for him to win rings if he did not CHOKE in the playoffs. you can't say a supporting cast is ass when they win 60+ games in the regular season and get the #1 seed. its on the leader to win in the playoffs if his teammates have put them in a position to be the favorite.

bron's biggest weakness is that his game is NOT versatile. he can only play one way. iso ball with shooters to space the floor. he would never have been able to win with shaq the way kobe did. he would never have been able to win with pau the way kobe did. both were dominant low post bigs. guys who clog the lane. guys who forced kobe to change his game. kobe had to become sublime in the mid-range cause he couldn't get to the basket. people need to just accept the fact that lebron does not fit well with most of the other dominant players in the game. he can only win when the team is changed to fit his style.
 
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8/9 seasons of Shaq and then 5/6 seasons of combinations of Pau/Bynum/Odom/Ariza/Artest, Dwight/Nash/Pau (not to forget the GOAT coach PJ) is MUCH more help than 4/5 seasons of Wade/Bosh/Shooters and Love/Irving

Your narrative is trash at least come up with something substantial, that's just fukking dumb

Only if LeBron could have sidekicked Shaq for rings his first 7 seasons, he had too settle with Mo Williams and drop damn near 40/10/10 to get knocked out the ECF and have historical performances. :camby:

LeBron would have never won a title with Shaq. he can't even play with guys like Bosh and Love getting paint touches cause he wants the lane clear. You really think he coulda played with a 7 foot 350lb monster permanently camping himself right under the basket. the reason young kobe shot alot of jumpers wasn't because he wanted to. he preferred going to the basket and yamming on cats like duncan. he shot mid-range jumpers cause shaq was clogging the paint.

kobe developed an off-ball game cause shaq would get alot of touches. bron has NOT shown the ability to co-exist with another ball dominant player or a dominant big in the post.

all bron has showed us is he can win when he has the ball in his hands at all times and has lots of shooters and defenders surrounding him. something those lakers teams with shaq didn't have.
 
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But still that Cavs team Lebron went to the finals with was trash compared to teams Kobe had.

true. but that eastern conference was trash. the pistons were the only 50 win team they faced that year before the finals. compare that to the west which has had pretty much only 50 win teams make the playoffs for most of the last decade.

lebrons legacy before miami was greatly enhanced by how bad the east was.
 

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nikkas fear what they don't understand. hate what they can't conquer. guess its just the fury of man.

Or it's because you're a confirmed pedophile, a creepy stan, and you were caught lying about your age repeatedly.

LeBron would have never won a title with Shaq. he can't even play with guys like Bosh and Love getting paint touches cause he wants the lane clear. You really think he coulda played with a 7 foot 350lb monster permanently camping himself right under the basket. the reason young kobe shot alot of jumpers wasn't because he wanted to. he preferred going to the basket and yamming on cats like duncan. he shot mid-range jumpers cause shaq was clogging the paint.

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And because you make idiotic posts like this. Wade won with Shaq in the Paint even though wade drove to the paint more than anybody. Of course, Wade >>> Kobe.
 

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LeBron would have never won a title with Shaq. he can't even play with guys like Bosh and Love getting paint touches cause he wants the lane clear. You really think he coulda played with a 7 foot 350lb monster permanently camping himself right under the basket. the reason young kobe shot alot of jumpers wasn't because he wanted to. he preferred going to the basket and yamming on cats like duncan. he shot mid-range jumpers cause shaq was clogging the paint.

kobe developed an off-ball game cause shaq would get alot of touches. bron has NOT shown the ability to co-exist with another ball dominant player or a dominant big in the post.

all bron has showed us is he can win when he has the ball in his hands at all times and has lots of shooters and defenders surrounding him. something those lakers teams with shaq didn't have.

You make valid points but to say young Lebron wouldn't win with Prime Shaq is crazy.

Derek Fisher and Robert Horry shooting 3's.....Lebron playing point forward....
 
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You make valid points but to say young Lebron wouldn't win with Prime Shaq is crazy.

Derek Fisher and Robert Horry shooting 3's.....Lebron playing point forward....

think about what kobe brought to those teams. he played backseat to shaq for 3qtrs. he then dominated in the fourth. did so mostly through the mid-range. bron's rep has never been hitting big shots at the end of games. he's more known for setting guys up. horry and fisher were shooting 3s cause teams were collpasing on shaq NOT kobe.

maybe bron wins 1 title. but no way does he mesh as easily with shaq the way kobe did.
 
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