Just found the paid Democratic Shill application. Anyone knows how much does it pay?

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You're projecting. You know can't support your claims, so you resort to this.

The history of Democrats and Republican alignment shifting is well known. However, you still operate under the belief that things are still the same as they were pre-party alignment, which is why you said this: "if I had a choice, I´ll choose the Republicans"

Let's have a deeper look at what you said:


"-Democrats were the one who wanted to continue slavery in the 1800s"

It was true
in the past that Southern Democrats supported slavery in the 1800s, but the Democrats and Republicans underwent major ideological shifts since then, and especially during the Civil Rights Movement, where those Southern Democrats, thanks to the Southern Strategy, shifted to the Republican party.

"-Confederate flag was made by Southern Democrats in the 1800s"

The Confederate flag represented the Confederacy, not a political party, and was used to symbolize pro-slavery rebellion against the United States. The people who flay that flag today are all under the Republican party. The Republicans are the defenders of the flag and it is aligned with right-wing ideologies, not Democratic ones.

"-KKK are Democrats"

The KKK was historically aligned with Southern Democrat
s during Reconstruction, but, again, its ideology and support shifted over to the Republicans. In the 20th century, and especially post-Civil Rights era, the KKK and other white supremacist groups overwhelmingly supported conservative, Republican candidates. They rally hard for Trump and the Republicans in genera. This one was especially embarrassing for you.

"-Feminists are democrats... nuff said"

Once again, this proves what it's all about with you backwards freaks. "Western Chauvinism" doesn't include you losers. And feminism is just about gender equality. Your statement is dumb because it oversimplifies complex social advocacy as merely a partisan stance.

"-Darwinism (Theory that black people weren´t mentally developed as white people and close to apes), was created and supported by Democrats"

Darwin's theory of evolution is a scientific theory and is not inherently racist. It has no direct ties to any political party.
People who misused Darwin's work to justify racist beliefs is a distortion. That kind of pseudoscience was supported by individuals across political spectrums in the past. If you are talking about today. There is only one place where you can find racial pseudoscience that posits Black people being inherently inferior to white people, and that's - you guessed it - the Republican party. It's where all the Hereditarians congregate.

Now, let's look at what you said about the Transatlantic Slave Trade: "I don't believe the Transatlantic Slave Trade happened at all"

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Now you are trying to move the goalposts by claiming: "I argued the extent of the Transatlantic Slave Trade, not that it never happened."

Why lie when all we have to do is go back a few pages to see your words?

Make a substantial argument w/ evidence refuting the overwhelming historical evidence that proves the Transatlantic Slave Trade happened.


You are literally admitting my facts in what I bolded. You have not refuted anything I said in my posts, all you did was explain it away :dead:





From your dumbass post: "Darwin's theory of evolution is not inherently racist and had no ties to the Democratic Party"

U.S. Scientists' Role in the Eugenics Movement (1907–1939): A Contemporary Biologist's Perspective - PMC

"It was Francis Galton, a cousin of Darwin, who coined the term “eugenics” in 1883 while advocating that society should promote the marriage of what he felt were the fittest individuals by providing monetary incentives.1 Shortly thereafter, many intellectuals and political leaders (e.g., Alexander Graham Bell, Winston Churchill, John Maynard Keynes, and Woodrow Wilson) accepted the notion that modern societies, as a matter of policy, should promote the improvement of the human race through various forms of governmental intervention. While initially this desire was manifested as the promotion of selective breeding, it ultimately contributed to the intellectual underpinnings of state-sponsored discrimination, forced sterilization, and genocide."

Unfit to Breed: America’s Dark Tale of Eugenics | NIH Intramural Research Program

Acceptance of eugenics was prevalent in American society and academia in the early 1900s. For example, many Harvard faculty and graduates espoused these principles. Additionally, well-respected figures at the time such as the Rockefeller family, the Carnegie family, and U.S. President Woodrow Wilson showed vigorous support. In fact, these principles became so popular that Nazi Germany took notice, inspiring the Holocaust. A 1934 issue of The New England Journal of Medicine even addressed this fact, lauding Germany as “perhaps the most progressive nation in restricting fecundity among the unfit,” and noting how “[the American people are probably] not ready for the adoption of the German plan.”



Wait a minute, what Political Party was Woodrow Wilson apart of??

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You are literally admitting my facts in what I bolded. You have not refuted anything I said in my posts, all you did was explain it away :dead:





From your dumbass post: "Darwin's theory of evolution is not inherently racist and had no ties to the Democratic Party"

U.S. Scientists' Role in the Eugenics Movement (1907–1939): A Contemporary Biologist's Perspective - PMC

"It was Francis Galton, a cousin of Darwin, who coined the term “eugenics” in 1883 while advocating that society should promote the marriage of what he felt were the fittest individuals by providing monetary incentives.1 Shortly thereafter, many intellectuals and political leaders (e.g., Alexander Graham Bell, Winston Churchill, John Maynard Keynes, and Woodrow Wilson) accepted the notion that modern societies, as a matter of policy, should promote the improvement of the human race through various forms of governmental intervention. While initially this desire was manifested as the promotion of selective breeding, it ultimately contributed to the intellectual underpinnings of state-sponsored discrimination, forced sterilization, and genocide."

Unfit to Breed: America’s Dark Tale of Eugenics | NIH Intramural Research Program

Acceptance of eugenics was prevalent in American society and academia in the early 1900s. For example, many Harvard faculty and graduates espoused these principles. Additionally, well-respected figures at the time such as the Rockefeller family, the Carnegie family, and U.S. President Woodrow Wilson showed vigorous support. In fact, these principles became so popular that Nazi Germany took notice, inspiring the Holocaust. A 1934 issue of The New England Journal of Medicine even addressed this fact, lauding Germany as “perhaps the most progressive nation in restricting fecundity among the unfit,” and noting how “[the American people are probably] not ready for the adoption of the German plan.”



Wait a minute, what Political Party was Woodrow Wilson apart of??

:huhldup::russ::laff::laff:
Wow. I addressed your misrepresentation of history with facts and refuted your assertion by highlighting the ideological realignment of the parties and who represents what today. You suffer under the self-delusion that things haven't changed (because it's more convenient to your regressive beliefs), which explains your "I would support Republicans" declaration. Everything you're pretending to oppose today happened before party realignment and is now present TODAY in the Republican Party, which you said you would support. You're acting nonchalant, but the spamming emotes give it away that you are shook. You're doing this to distract from the fact that you have no real argument outside of conspiracies and misrepresentation of documented history.

As far as the theory of evolution, it is just a scientific framework on how species evolved. It doesn't say anything about one race being superior to another. The theory and its misuse by racists (like eugenicists) is completely separate from any political party affiliation. In the past, racist ideologies were adopted by individuals across political lines, not just Democrats. People from both parties - Democrats, Republicans, and so on - have historically supported racist policies, including those based on misinterpretations and pseudoscience. So linking Darwinism to one political party is both misleading and historically inaccurate. Besides, we are living in a post-party realignment society where those beliefs are rejected by Democrats and espoused by individuals in the Republican Party. So, if you're going to blame Darwinism for racism, you should take a hard look at who is actually promoting that kind of rhetoric NOW.

Also, remember, you said this: "if I had a choice, I´ll choose the Republicans"


You know you can't support your Transatlantic Slave Trade claims, which is why you tried to move the goalposts, before conveniently dropping the argument all together.

Now, let's look at what you said about the Transatlantic Slave Trade: "I don't believe the Transatlantic Slave Trade happened at all"

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Now you are trying to move the goalposts by claiming: "I argued the extent of the Transatlantic Slave Trade, not that it never happened."

Why lie when all we have to do is go back a few pages to see your words?

Make a substantial argument w/ evidence refuting the overwhelming historical evidence that proves the Transatlantic Slave Trade happened.
 

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Wow. I addressed your misrepresentation of history with facts and refuted your assertion by highlighting the ideological realignment of the parties and who represents what today. You suffer under the self-delusion that things haven't changed (because it's more convenient to your regressive beliefs), which explains your "I would support Republicans" declaration. Everything you're pretending to oppose today happened before party realignment and is now present TODAY in the Republican Party, which you said you would support. You're acting nonchalant, but the spamming emotes give it away that you are shook. You're doing this to distract from the fact that you have no real argument outside of conspiracies and misrepresentation of documented history.

As far as the theory of evolution, it is just a scientific framework on how species evolved. It doesn't say anything about one race being superior to another. The theory and its misuse by racists (like eugenicists) is completely separate from any political party affiliation. In the past, racist ideologies were adopted by individuals across political lines, not just Democrats. People from both parties - Democrats, Republicans, and so on - have historically supported racist policies, including those based on misinterpretations and pseudoscience. So linking Darwinism to one political party is both misleading and historically inaccurate. Besides, we are living in a post-party realignment society where those beliefs are rejected by Democrats and espoused by individuals in the Republican Party. So, if you're going to blame Darwinism for racism, you should take a hard look at who is actually promoting that kind of rhetoric NOW.

Also, remember, you said this: "if I had a choice, I´ll choose the Republicans"


You know you can't support your Transatlantic Slave Trade claims, which is why you tried to move the goalposts, before conveniently dropping the argument all together.


You are not addressing anything I say at all. I see your shtick. I've already said "The Democrats were historically worse when it came to race relations". Which was the point of the original post that you keep quoting as your "Ah hah moment"

- Mentioned Hitler using Andrew Jackson the Democrat and his genocide/removal of the Native Americans as inspiration for the Holocaust
- Mentioned Darwin's relative creating Eugenics and Woodrow Wilson the Democrat cosigning it and signing laws to support it
- Mentioned Joe Biden having a KKK grand wizard as his mentor
- Mentioned KKK having it's roots in the Democratic Party
- Mentioned Melville J. Herskovits being the progenitor of the "Out of Africa" theory

And you HAVE NOT ADDRESSED ANY OF IT. The only reply you have is the corny retort of "yOu sAiD sLaVeRy dOesn'T eXiSt" and "yOu cHose RePuBliCans"
Only to explain it away by writing novels of mumbo jumbo like that means anything. Maybe one day you'll finally address it

I'm waiting for eventual long paragraph of a reply full of double talking and dap fishing :dead:
 
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You are not addressing anything I say at all. I see your shtick. I've already said "The Democrats were historically worse when it came to race relations". Which was the point of the original post that you keep quoting as your "Ah hah moment"

- Mentioned Hitler using Andrew Jackson the Democrat and his genocide/removal of the Native Americans as inspiration for the Holocaust
- Mentioned Darwin's relative creating Eugenics and Woodrow Wilson the Democrat cosigning it and signing laws to support it
- Mentioned Joe Biden having a KKK grand wizard as his mentor
- Mentioned KKK having it's roots in the Democratic Party
- Mentioned Melville J. Herskovits being the progenitor of the "Out of Africa" theory

And you HAVE NOT ADDRESSED ANY OF IT. The only reply you have is the corny retort of "yOu sAiD sLaVeRy dOesn'T eXiSt" and "yOu cHose RePuBliCans"
Only to explain it away by writing novels of mumbo jumbo like that means anything. Maybe one day you'll finally address it

I'm waiting for eventual long paragraph of a reply full of double talking and dap fishing :dead:
No it was not. If that were the point, you wouldn't have started your post with this: "I have no idea why Black people always side with Democrats"

- This reads as you trying to use the party's historical past to make a point about present-day politics.

And you wouldn't have ended the post by saying this: "but if I had a choice, I´ll choose the Republicans"

- This solidifies the misleading historical narrative to justify a modern preference. All you're doing is weaponizing historical facts to paint the modern party in a negative light while ignoring the significant ideological shifts that have taken place.

I don't know why you keep lying about easily verifiable facts. This is annoying now. I've thoroughly addressed your argument multiple times already. It's not my fault your ego won't let you comprehend this. I don't know why you're still throwing out lists of historical grievances while ignoring the clear realignment of party ideologies and refusing to acknowledge our current political reality.

If you're going to criticize historical Democrats for racism (something I support), be consistent and address how today's GOP embodies those same racist ideologies. Until then, your arguments are nothing more than selective outrage dressed up as historical insight. Your entire outlook is based on a selective and outdated interpretation of history.


"- Mentioned Darwin's relative creating Eugenics and Woodrow Wilson the Democrat cosigning it and signing laws to support it"
"- Mentioned Hitler using Andrew Jackson the Democrat and his genocide/removal of the Native Americans as inspiration for the Holocaust"


Yes, Democrats have historically supported and upheld racist policies. There is no one ignoring that truth, let alone denying it. But what you're ignoring is the party realignment that took place in the middle of the 20th century. Southern Democrats that supported segregation shifted to the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Movement. They now make up the modern day Republican party. I don't know why you keep playing dumb by acting like the parties are frozen in time, when today, the GOP is the one promoting voter suppression, opposing social programs, and embracing white nationalist rhetoric and policy. Did you miss the back bone of Trump's agenda being the fight against anti-white racism? History didn't stop in 1865 or 1965. You understand that, right?

Your bringing up Hitler using Andrew Jackson as inspiration only highlights how Andrew Jackson's actions were abhorrent. It doesn't prove anything else, nor does it erase the fact that today's GOP aligns itself with Jackson's legacy (your boy Trump even celebrated him). Blaming modern Democrats for Jackson's policies while ignoring today's GOP admiration for him is selective outrage.

Yes, Wilson supported segregation and elements of eugenics, which, again, is abhorrent. But eugenics had supporters across political lines, including Republicans. Further, linking Wilson's views to today's Democrats while ignoring GOP figures like Tucker Carlson, Trump, Elise Stefanik, Stephen Miller, and so on, who promote white replacement theory, among other more racist and odious theories, is hypocritical. You know we live in 2024, right?

"- Mentioned Joe Biden having a KKK grand wizard as his mentor"
"- Mentioned KKK having it's roots in the Democratic Party"


As for Biden and Byrd, I wanna be clear: I'm not going to excuse either of them. Byrd's past with the KKK is reprehensible, and while he later expressed regret and worked to make amends, that still doesn't erase the harm he caused. Biden's association with Byrd, even if it was political, should still be criticized; it's worth criticizing. I'm not going to excuse it, and I'm not interested in defending either of them on that point. However, modern Republicans consistently align themselves with white supremacists, Neo-Nazis, white Christian nationalists, and every other hate group out there, not only to oppose civil rights, but to push voter suppression laws, suppress the teaching of Black history, roll back policies and eliminate programs aimed at addressing systemic racism, and so on. If your goal is to highlight past Democratic party racism, I'm with you, but you're obviously just weaponizing it.

We can't ignore how today's GOP carries on those same harmful legacies. Again, you said you would support them in the context of *today.*

This is true in the context of history, but it's irrelevant today. Again, after the Civil Rights Act, the KKK aligned with the Republican Party. Your attempt to tie modern Democrats to the KKK ignores this shift and the fact that white supremacists overwhelmingly support the GOP now. The party you said you'd support *today.*

"- Mentioned Melville J. Herskovits being the progenitor of the "Out of Africa" theory"

Herskovits was an anthropologist, not some mastermind. Even if he played a role in popularizing certain ideas, that doesn't negate the well-documented history of the slave trade or justify framing it as a myth, unless you have some evidence to support that claim. Do you? I suspect you don't, given that you keep failing to present any.
 

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No it was not. If that were the point, you wouldn't have started your post with this: "I have no idea why Black people always side with Democrats"

- This reads as you trying to use the party's historical past to make a point about present-day politics.

And you wouldn't have ended the post by saying this: "but if I had a choice, I´ll choose the Republicans"

- This solidifies the misleading historical narrative to justify a modern preference. All you're doing is weaponizing historical facts to paint the modern party in a negative light while ignoring the significant ideological shifts that have taken place.

I don't know why you keep lying about easily verifiable facts. This is annoying now. I've thoroughly addressed your argument multiple times already. It's not my fault your ego won't let you comprehend this. I don't know why you're still throwing out lists of historical grievances while ignoring the clear realignment of party ideologies and refusing to acknowledge our current political reality.

If you're going to criticize historical Democrats for racism (something I support), be consistent and address how today's GOP embodies those same racist ideologies. Until then, your arguments are nothing more than selective outrage dressed up as historical insight. Your entire outlook is based on a selective and outdated interpretation of history.


"- Mentioned Darwin's relative creating Eugenics and Woodrow Wilson the Democrat cosigning it and signing laws to support it"
"- Mentioned Hitler using Andrew Jackson the Democrat and his genocide/removal of the Native Americans as inspiration for the Holocaust"


Yes, Democrats have historically supported and upheld racist policies. There is no one ignoring that truth, let alone denying it. But what you're ignoring is the party realignment that took place in the middle of the 20th century. Southern Democrats that supported segregation shifted to the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Movement. They now make up the modern day Republican party. I don't know why you keep playing dumb by acting like the parties are frozen in time, when today, the GOP is the one promoting voter suppression, opposing social programs, and embracing white nationalist rhetoric and policy. Did you miss the back bone of Trump's agenda being the fight against anti-white racism? History didn't stop in 1865 or 1965. You understand that, right?

Your bringing up Hitler using Andrew Jackson as inspiration only highlights how Andrew Jackson's actions were abhorrent. It doesn't prove anything else, nor does it erase the fact that today's GOP aligns itself with Jackson's legacy (your boy Trump even celebrated him). Blaming modern Democrats for Jackson's policies while ignoring today's GOP admiration for him is selective outrage.

Yes, Wilson supported segregation and elements of eugenics, which, again, is abhorrent. But eugenics had supporters across political lines, including Republicans. Further, linking Wilson's views to today's Democrats while ignoring GOP figures like Tucker Carlson, Trump, Elise Stefanik, Stephen Miller, and so on, who promote white replacement theory, among other more racist and odious theories, is hypocritical. You know we live in 2024, right?

"- Mentioned Joe Biden having a KKK grand wizard as his mentor"
"- Mentioned KKK having it's roots in the Democratic Party"


As for Biden and Byrd, I wanna be clear: I'm not going to excuse either of them. Byrd's past with the KKK is reprehensible, and while he later expressed regret and worked to make amends, that still doesn't erase the harm he caused. Biden's association with Byrd, even if it was political, should still be criticized; it's worth criticizing. I'm not going to excuse it, and I'm not interested in defending either of them on that point. However, modern Republicans consistently align themselves with white supremacists, Neo-Nazis, white Christian nationalists, and every other hate group out there, not only to oppose civil rights, but to push voter suppression laws, suppress the teaching of Black history, roll back policies and eliminate programs aimed at addressing systemic racism, and so on. If your goal is to highlight past Democratic party racism, I'm with you, but you're obviously just weaponizing it.

We can't ignore how today's GOP carries on those same harmful legacies. Again, you said you would support them in the context of *today.*

This is true in the context of history, but it's irrelevant today. Again, after the Civil Rights Act, the KKK aligned with the Republican Party. Your attempt to tie modern Democrats to the KKK ignores this shift and the fact that white supremacists overwhelmingly support the GOP now. The party you said you'd support *today.*

"- Mentioned Melville J. Herskovits being the progenitor of the "Out of Africa" theory"

Herskovits was an anthropologist, not some mastermind. Even if he played a role in popularizing certain ideas, that doesn't negate the well-documented history of the slave trade or justify framing it as a myth, unless you have some evidence to support that claim. Do you? I suspect you don't, given that you keep failing to present any.



You are not addressing anything I say at all. I see your shtick

I'm waiting for eventual long paragraph of a reply full of double talking and dap fishing :dead:


Wash, rinse, repeat :dead:
 
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