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Cobb wasn't a racist, apparently.​

A dude had gave me some literature to read on it suggesting that Cobb was slandered in a manner very similar to Edgar Allen Poe (fukk Cac that voiced the rat from the cooking movie. I forgot his name...PAtton OSwalt) with regards to someone with a vandetta slandering his name and releasing alot of posthumus stuff about him to the point it took root.
Really needed to investigate it a bit further, but to be honest, I've never heard much good about him when he was alive from the people that was around him when he was alive, so I dunno? It's like when people try to Juelz about Ghandi's malnourished perverted ass in regards to his rabbid Racism when he was rocking the pompadour.​
 

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Really needed to investigate it a bit further, but to be honest, I've never heard much good about him when he was alive from the people that was around him when he was alive, so I dunno?​

Everything I'm reading suggests that he was a violent guy with serious anger issues, but that he never had any special dislike for Black people. The fact that people didn't like him doesn't say anything - in fact, not being racist against Black people would be more likely to cause you issues in White society in the early 1900s than racism would.




It's like when people try to Juelz about Ghandi's malnourished perverted ass in regards to his rabbid Racism when he was rocking the pompadour.​

What is the "juelzing"? Gandhi was a racist by his own admission for the first half of his life (definitely in his 20s, and to a degree in his 30s), just like virtually everyone in the 1800s who were educated through the British educational system. Due to his friendships with Black South Africans, his firsthand witnesses of the bravery of African freedom fighters during the South African Wars, and his introduction to the budding anti-racist literature that started coming out around 1900, he converted to a very strong antiracism by 1911. For the last 40 years of his life he consistently fought against racial discrimination across the world and for the independence of every African peoples from White colonialism.

To insult those who think positively of Gandhi's rejection of the racist beliefs he had been taught and turn towards antiracism is to insult Martin Luther King Jr., W.E.B Dubois, John Dube, S.S. Tema, Nelson Mandela, Hubert Harrison, George Washington Carver, Marcus Garvey, Bildad Kaggia, Jomo Kenyatta, Nnamdi Azikiwe, Albert Luthlui, Kenneth Kaunda, Joshua Nkomo, Kwame Nkrumah and other great Black leaders who corresponded with him, were inspired by him, or considered him their friend. Dubois, Dube, and Tema in particular knew Gandhi extremely well and corresponded with him extensively, and MLK Jr was so deeply impacted by him that he traveled to India well after his death just to walk the places he walked and meet the people who had known him. A full 1/3 of the MLK museum at his childhood home in Atlanta is devoted to his impression of Gandhi.


Understanding real history involves dealing with the complexity of real people. Every "hero" of the past made serious mistakes at some point in their life, some of which were a product of their society and some of which were their own personal failings. Those who rejected their society's ways in order to do something better are the most impressive to me, and those who realized the error of their own ways and changed themselves to become better are impressive as well. I have more respect for Gandhi, who was raised in a by-default racist society and started with those assumptions but then became one of the first major leaders to flip on that and speak out against it, then I have for any random 21st-century person who has always spoke out against racism just because that's the default position now, but would have been just like the racists if they were born under British rule in 1869.
 

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A dude had gave me some literature to read on it suggesting that Cobb was slandered in a manner very similar to Edgar Allen Poe (fukk Cac that voiced the rat from the cooking movie. I forgot his name...PAtton OSwalt) with regards to someone with a vandetta slandering his name and releasing alot of posthumus stuff about him to the point it took root.
Really needed to investigate it a bit further, but to be honest, I've never heard much good about him when he was alive from the people that was around him when he was alive, so I dunno? It's like when people try to Juelz about Ghandi's malnourished perverted ass in regards to his rabbid Racism when he was rocking the pompadour.​

Here's a good thing about Cobb

He suffered before he died
 

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Everything I'm reading suggests that he was a violent guy with serious anger issues, but that he never had any special dislike for Black people. The fact that people didn't like him doesn't say anything - in fact, not being racist against Black people would be more likely to cause you issues in White society in the early 1900s than racism would.






What is the "juelzing"? Gandhi was a racist by his own admission for the first half of his life (definitely in his 20s, and to a degree in his 30s), just like virtually everyone in the 1800s who were educated through the British educational system. Due to his friendships with Black South Africans, his firsthand witnesses of the bravery of African freedom fighters during the South African Wars, and his introduction to the budding anti-racist literature that started coming out around 1900, he converted to a very strong antiracism by 1911. For the last 40 years of his life he consistently fought against racial discrimination across the world and for the independence of every African peoples from White colonialism.

To insult those who think positively of Gandhi's rejection of the racist beliefs he had been taught and turn towards antiracism is to insult Martin Luther King Jr., W.E.B Dubois, John Dube, S.S. Tema, Nelson Mandela, Hubert Harrison, George Washington Carver, Marcus Garvey, Bildad Kaggia, Jomo Kenyatta, Nnamdi Azikiwe, Albert Luthlui, Kenneth Kaunda, Joshua Nkomo, Kwame Nkrumah and other great Black leaders who corresponded with him, were inspired by him, or considered him their friend. Dubois, Dube, and Tema in particular knew Gandhi extremely well and corresponded with him extensively, and MLK Jr was so deeply impacted by him that he traveled to India well after his death just to walk the places he walked and meet the people who had known him. A full 1/3 of the MLK museum at his childhood home in Atlanta is devoted to his impression of Gandhi.


Understanding real history involves dealing with the complexity of real people. Every "hero" of the past made serious mistakes at some point in their life, some of which were a product of their society and some of which were their own personal failings. Those who rejected their society's ways in order to do something better are the most impressive to me, and those who realized the error of their own ways and changed themselves to become better are impressive as well. I have more respect for Gandhi, who was raised in a by-default racist society and started with those assumptions but then became one of the first major leaders to flip on that and speak out against it, then I have for any random 21st-century person who has always spoke out against racism just because that's the default position now, but would have been just like the racists if they were born under British rule in 1869.​

Realistically, breh. You put me on Game. The solid portion of my Ghandi knowledge was before the time that pissed me off so much when I found out how he was back in the day and I just stopped fukking with him and the majority of his movement afterwards. I learned something and I'm thankful for you for putting it out there.
 

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Realistically, breh. You put me on Game. The solid portion of my Ghandi knowledge was before the time that pissed me off so much when I found out how he was back in the day and I just stopped fukking with him and the majority of his movement afterwards. I learned something and I'm thankful for you for putting it out there.


Thanks, man, I'm glad I could be helpful.

There's a book called, "Lies My Teacher Told Me" that deals in part with how our views of history are distorted by the simplistic narratives we're taught in class. We're given history as heroes and villains and as simple linear progress over time, and as a result we don't know how to deal with nuance. The book deals with things like the fact that Abraham Lincoln was a legitimately progressive civil rights hero who hated slavery yet still a white man of his times who held racial prejudice, and how people never learn how to hold both of those facts in tension. Or how teachers won't tell you that Helen Keller publicly spent her life as an extreme advocate for communism who constantly criticized the USA for keeping people in poverty, because that would be too controversial for the classroom and cast a gray cloud over the childhood story of "Hey the blind deaf girl learned to read and write!"

I didn't learn about Gandhi's early racism and later antiracism until long after I read that book, but it helped put things in perspective for me. You have to take in account the whole story and accept that everyone had faults at some point, then seriously take a look at those faults and how they dealt with them over time rather than just looking at evertyhing without nuance.
 

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Didn’t have Ty Cobb being painted in a better light on todays bingo card :heh:

I read most of the all time mlb greats (ty cobb, babe) would play with negro leagues during like spring training

Ty cobb suprised me as i thought he was a huge racist. Apparently that movie and the book that it was made from are complete bullshyt by a writer who hated him and ty cobb was one of the only players in the league that asked to integrate and played with the negro leagues every off season. Hed goto dominican republic and everything to go play ball to stay sharp. I saw a youtube doc on it. It was all .. Cap :sas1:


A dude had gave me some literature to read on it suggesting that Cobb was slandered in a manner very similar to Edgar Allen Poe (fukk Cac that voiced the rat from the cooking movie. I forgot his name...PAtton OSwalt) with regards to someone with a vandetta slandering his name and releasing alot of posthumus stuff about him to the point it took root.
Really needed to investigate it a bit further, but to be honest, I've never heard much good about him when he was alive from the people that was around him when he was alive, so I dunno? It's like when people try to Juelz about Ghandi's malnourished perverted ass in regards to his rabbid Racism when he was rocking the pompadour.​
Yea i saw tht

Cobb played ball in dominican republic every year and actually tried He got rich by investing early so hed said fukk talking to the writers and they held a grudge on him for years. Apparently he abused that stump guy who then ruined his rep and got rich off it.



Ty cobbs grandfather was an abolitionist in georgia.
 
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They'll just pretend he didn't exist or that he played with substitute teachers like Wilt
 
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