The only thing joe dumarsnand bradley beal got in common is they both blackIt's crazy breh. You'd be laughed outta any barbershop doing this shyt, even in DC
Compare a 6 time all star 4 time First team all defensive, Finals MVP and an anchor on a 2x championship team to a guy that has a nice wingspan
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Breh, I stated that Joe Dumars woulda been a perennial all-star. Then you went into this whole Bradley Beal debate...
I need you to tell me who is gonna be swiping away all these all-star selections from him in the modern day East?
Cuz the way you talk about him you’d think he was a player devoid of any skill, didn’t have great handles, couldn’t cross up or blow by defenders, and couldn’t pull up from 3 at a nice clip in an era that wasn’t even 3 point heavy.
All because he was “undersized”. As if he wasn’t a bulldog
Breh, I stated that Joe Dumars woulda been a perennial all-star. Then you went into this whole Bradley Beal debate...
I need you to tell me who is gonna be swiping away all these all-star selections from him in the modern day East?
Cuz the way you talk about him you’d think he was a player devoid of any skill, didn’t have great handles, couldn’t cross up or blow by defenders, and couldn’t pull up from 3 at a nice clip in an era that wasn’t even 3 point heavy.
All because he was “undersized”. As if he wasn’t a bulldog
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That would all be dependent on year and what team he’s on. Team success is a big factor in All-Star selections. He definitely wouldn’t be voted in, he’d have to be a coaches selection.@ISO
Breh, I stated that Joe Dumars woulda been a perennial all-star. Then you went into this whole Bradley Beal debate...
I need you to tell me who is gonna be swiping away all these all-star selections from him in the modern day East?
Cuz the way you talk about him you’d think he was a player devoid of any skill, didn’t have great handles, couldn’t cross up or blow by defenders, and couldn’t pull up from 3 at a nice clip in an era that wasn’t even 3 point heavy.
All because he was “undersized”. As if he wasn’t a bulldog
Really don’t understand what modern day East has to do with anything do you nikkas ever bring any new arguments to the table? He’s not getting in over Victor Oladipo or Jimmy Butler.
What does Dumars being a Hall of Famer have to do with anything? He got into the Hall of Fame because of his career during a different era; a resume that is largely built through the circumstances he benefitted from (he's not a transcendent player). You're telling me that Dumars would be on LeBron's, Steph's and Durant's level if he was in the league today? If not, then how is saying he and Beal would be peers laughable?
How would the Pistons be "far worse", when Beal is bigger, and in general more skilled? We're not talking about replacing him with Austin Rivers.
"I don't compare it on accolades", and then he goes and compares them simply by their accolades. Only sheep could lack this sort of self-awareness.yes it is laughable, the only time this comparison gets made is on here. Nobody else is comparing these two players at all. Not even close. I don't compare it on accolades, although such a lopsided margin in accolades does seem to play a factor. I watched Dumars play. I hated him, but he was a great player. An ex football player turned basketball player, he's as tough as they came. Everything you go off of is on paper, anyone that actually watched Dumars knows he was the real deal. You keep propping up attributes of Beal, please tell me when he's ever made an all defensive first team? Just one? In the historically weak East? Dumars made 4 of them. He's a Finals MVP. a 6 time all star. Only on this forum does this ridiculous comparison get made.
In terms of Value Over Replacement, the comparisons between Beal and Dumars isn't as disrespectful as you guys think.
You guys are using circumstantial things like Finals MVP to separate them, and while it is great for Dumars, it doesn't do much to define his actual skill any more than Jack Morris' 10 inning game did to define his.
You guys are using circumstantial things like Finals MVP to separate them, and while it is great for Dumars, it doesn't do much to define his actual skill any more than Jack Morris' 10 inning game did to define his.
Why do y'all nikkas hang your arguments on this false talking point? These "establishments" you speak of aren't the bearers of truth, in fact, they're more drenched in nostalgia, ignorance, and nikkas vicariously living out their hoop dreams than anything else. Trust me when I say that too; I grew up during a time, in a place, where barbershop takes were indoctrination.You def buggin now. Dikk riding Dumars?
The coli ya'll. The thing is I don't have to do any extra on Dumars, I watched him, his career. Hated the Pistons. But literally on this forum is the only place you disrespecting Dumars by comparing him to a Bradley Beal of all players
Again you'd be laughed outta every establishment bringing this bullshyt up. Even in DC
You’re gassing up Beal now.
Again only on this forum are these silly comparisons being made. Even Beal would tell you to stop
"I don't compare it on accolades", and then he goes and compares them simply by their accolades. Only sheep could lack this sort of self-awareness.
Accolades are only part of it. But in this case there’s a high difference between the two players. Can’t ignore 6 all star and 4 first team defense, along with finals mvp vs a player with none of that at all.
I watched them both play. It isn’t a comparison. And that’s not even disrespecting Beal.
But you’re the guy who thinks he knows more about basketball than Gregg Popovich. Only on the Coli
Why do y'all nikkas hang your arguments on this false talking point? These "establishments" you speak of aren't the bearers of truth, in fact, they're more drenched in nostalgia, ignorance, and nikkas vicariously living out their hoop dreams than anything else. Trust me when I say that too; I grew up during a time, in a place, where barbershop takes were indoctrination.
You can take every barbershop along with everywhere else and this comparison would still get the bushes. Anyone that watched dumars play can tell you this. Even Beal would tell you this is crazy.
Only on the Coli smh
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Y’all really in here comparing Bradley Beal Ron Joe Dumars?much respect to Brad, but he wasn’t, never will be Joe
much respect to Brad, but he wasn’t, never will be Joe
Not sure what’s so funny like Bradley Beal a scrub now
Drop Beal on the Bad Boy Pistons in place of Dumars and what’s the result?
All these accolades you listed are a product of him playing on the Bad Boys Pistons
If you dropped him in the league today on the Pistons he wouldn’t have all those accolades.
Which is why when comparing players you should do it off their game and not circumstantial accolades. You know damn well Beal is a bigger guard with more offensive skill and as I proved to you is a solid defender himself.
Acting like a 16/2/4 player is a godand far ahead of modern 2 guards because he played his role and won championships on stacked teams
you comparing a pitbull to a golden retriever
dumars would be the hands down top 3 defender today.
I get what y’all are trying to say: That due to certain circumstances Joe D was able to play in a dynasty with an all-time great in Isiah Thomas and the legendary Bad Boy Pistons, which bolstered his status and awarded him prestigious accolades.
What I’m tryna say is that Dumars woulda been a great perimeter scorer and defender cuz he was THAT good and skilled.
The guy had all the tools of these modern day guards, with the athleticism, instincts, and IQ to guard players bigger, faster, and more athletic than himself.
This argument isn’t predicated on team success, the dude could ball. The season with his highest scoring average came from when the Pistons run was over and they weren’t even good anymore. They missed the playoffs and Dumars still made All-Defensive First Team playing 40 mins a game