Joe Budden calls Travis Scott and Playboi Carti “bozos” and clowns them for their performance of “Fe!n” at the 2024 Grammy Awards.

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Petty Vandross.. fukk Yall
The “I don’t know you so you shouldn’t win” shyt is hilarious. That applies to all rappers in these categories. Everybody don’t know these people y’all. Like I don’t know shyt about Olivia Rodrigo or Karol G. They’re huge af though apparently lol.
Nah this forum is definitely filled with old nikkas who bring up yesteryear to shyt on young people
It’s a lot of goalpost moving on this forum when nikkas who claim to be abreast about music or current entertainment
Turn the conversation like Joe Budden
Many of you act like we weren’t kids and our parents felt the same way about 80s/90s culture
And truth be told a lot of shyt from our childhood was trash as fukk but nikkas deal in nostalgia instead of reflection
That’s why young cats say your post because of two things
We don’t educate the youngins like our aunts, uncles, gmas, pop pop because old nikkas still trying to compete instead of aging gracefully and taking pride in elder statesmen status
Young people say a lot of things to troll old nikkas to get a reaction

But this thecoli home “oh that’s different” Red ass nikkas
 

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I thought the same shyt tho. Exactly the same shyt.

Yep that shyt was trash. I had the misfortune of being a second hand viewer to that bullshyt. Travis scott is better as a clothing brand anyway. He makes better shoes than music.
 
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Nah this forum is definitely filled with old nikkas who bring up yesteryear to shyt on young people
It’s a lot of goalpost moving on this forum when nikkas who claim to be abreast about music or current entertainment
Turn the conversation like Joe Budden
Many of you act like we weren’t kids and our parents felt the same way about 80s/90s culture
And truth be told a lot of shyt from our childhood was trash as fukk but nikkas deal in nostalgia instead of reflection
That’s why young cats say your post because of two things
We don’t educate the youngins like our aunts, uncles, gmas, pop pop because old nikkas still trying to compete instead of aging gracefully and taking pride in elder statesmen status
Young people say a lot of things to troll old nikkas to get a reaction

But this thecoli home “oh that’s different” Red ass nikkas
The issue is, rap as a genre has no baseline, barrier of entry or universal value set. Even among us, the vanguards of the culture, we cant agree on what makes a rapper "good".

For me:
flow (staying on beat, in the pocket),
diction (how clearly can I hear your raps?),
ear for beats (im a 90s hip hop head so jazzy, smooth beats are my go-to),
lyrics that can convey a range of emotions/experiences in a clear way (think BIggie on Skys the Limit),
diversity of subject matter, and a
diversity of production/song structure
authentic expression (what experiences are behind these words? Did you actually write it? what are you trying to convey?)

are the ingredients of what I consider "good rap"..but the consequence of my tastes means I just cannot get into guys like Future, Mac Dre, Playboy Carti, Detroit Rappers like Veeze/Babyface Ray.

On some level Rap is not supposed to be a very structured genre but reconciling that with having some level of gatekeeping (every art form/culture should gatekeep btw) is the problem.
 

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I’m a 43 year old nas and wu tang stan and I think utopia was way better than the killer mike album.

Also I was a Budden fan since day one. Day one with the music and podcast…purchased mood music 3 directly from him even met him in real life. He was pretty cool and down to earth…..

But I don’t agree with his takes on music or on streamers. Everyone gets their time and the world constantly evolves. I’m not saying he needs to embrace and love all of this new shyt but at least try to understand it. He’s reducing himself to just being an old hater instead of a creator like he says he is.
 
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