Joe Biden selects Senator Kamala Harris as his VP Pick

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He can get Joe Crowley'd
her congressional district is much easier to win than a statewide race.

Schumer isn't gonna get Crowley'd. If the Dems win the Senate, he'd be the Majority Leader. Plus, a New York poll by Siena College in March showed AOC could struggle statewide. And this Zogby poll done in May shows AOC trailing by over 30%.

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Senator Chuck Schumer performed well with almost every sub-group surveyed. Schumer beat Ocasio-Cortez in every region: Upstate (Schumer leads 59% to 15%), suburbs (Schumer leads 56% to 19%), and NYC (Schumer leads 48% to 28%). The senate minority leader won regardless of gender, ideology, environ, and generation. More importantly, Schumer also performed well with swing voters, such as, suburban voters (Schumer leads 56% to 16%) and suburban women (Schumer leads 48% to 17%).

Even though on paper it looks like a mismatch, the freshman congresswomen did win with voters aged 18-29 (Ocasio-Cortez leads 56% to 16%), voters aged 18-34 (Ocasio-Cortez leads 45% to 29%), and single voters (Ocasio-Cortez leads 36% to 34%). "AOC" also polled decent with voters living in NYC. While it would be hard to defeat someone of Schumer's stature, Ocasio Cortez could make things interesting in a primary by energizing the younger base throughout the state, and depending on turnout, could make a hypothetical primary interesting at the very least. Also of note, are the two groups who were most unsure about how they would vote-women (Schumer leads 49% to 19%; 25% unsure) and suburban women (Schumer leads 48% to 17%; 25% unsure)-Ocasio Cortez could take advantage of their uncertainty, and appeal to both groups, which could help better her chances in a potential primary showdown.

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A hypothetical primary between the junior Senator from New York-Kirsten Gillibrand and Congresswomen Ocasio-Cortez didn't yield much different results than the match-up with Schumer, but the race is much closer. Unlike Schumer, Gillibrand did not receive a majority of support from likely voters statewide, but she was easily beating the firebrand Ocasio-Cortez (from the Bronx) in a potential Democratic primary. Another thing that should be pointed out is that Gillibrand did not receive a majority support from many sub-groups surveyed. She did best with older voters aged 65+ (Gillibrand leads 64% to 12%), Protestants (Gillibrand leads 52% to 23%), and consumers who shop at Walmart a few times a year (Gillibrand leads 52% to 24%).

Representative Ocasio-Cortez did very well with younger voters aged 18-34 (Ocasio-Cortez leads 46% to 24%), voters in living in NYC (Ocasio-Cortez and Gillibrand tied at 35%), self-identified liberals (Gillibrand leads 41% to 35%), weekly Amazon shoppers (Ocasio-Cortez leads 38% to 36%) and Millennials (Ocasio-Cortez leads 44% to 31%).

The fact that Ocasio-Cortez is neck and neck with Gillibrand in NYC, and beating the former presidential candidate among younger voters, should be worrisome to the senator since many votes on a statewide level come from downstate, and Ocasio-Cortez has the name recognition to energize younger voters. Gillibrand should take note.

Schumer hasn't had to deal with a primary since he first ran for that seat in 1998 when he was underdog to Geraldine Ferraro.

New York state is probably the heaviest Democratic Party machine state. Unless Schumer has some kind of crazy scandal or has a health issue, no one in the NY Delegation is gonna beat him in a primary.

You'll need $15M-$20M just to win the primary.

Sam Seder said he's gonna explore a run though :mjlol:
 

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Schumer isn't gonna get Crowley'd. If the Dems win the Senate, he'd be the Majority Leader. Plus, a New York poll by Siena College in March showed AOC could struggle statewide. And this Zogby poll done in May shows AOC trailing by over 30%.



Schumer hasn't had to deal with a primary since he first ran for that seat in 1998 when he was underdog to Geraldine Ferraro.

New York state is probably the heaviest Democratic Party machine state. Unless Schumer has some kind of crazy scandal or has a health issue, no one in the NY Delegation is gonna beat him in a primary.

You'll need $15M-$20M just to win the primary.

Sam Seder said he's gonna explore a run though :mjlol:
Believe it or not AOC would of faired better against Cuomo. Teachout and Nixon pushed Cuomo and they were bad candidates for different reasons. Nobody knew who Teachout was but she still managed to get around 30 percent. Nixon ran one of the worse campaigns I ever seen and was able to get a 23-25 percent. But, now that Cuomo got all that good press from covid (And he didn’t even do that good of a job) it more than likely closed the door on that as well.

I do think AOC can push Gillibrand despite what that one poll states. Gillibrand isn’t that popular in NYS.

If I was AOC advisers I would have her stay in her safe house seat until she can run for president, Cuomo steps down, or run for mayor of NYC. De Blasio is pretty unpopular in NYC. I definitely think she can win that race. Cuomo been governor since 2010. Not sure how much longer he want to keep going. Depending on how the election go in November and who Biden’s VP is, she could run in 2024 and fill up that Bernie lane. At this time I think running for mayor of NYC is her most realistic option if she want to leave the house.
 

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Believe it or not AOC would of faired better against Cuomo. Teachout and Nixon pushed Cuomo and they were bad candidates for different reasons. Nobody knew who Teachout was but she still managed to get around 30 percent. Nixon ran one of the worse campaigns I ever seen and was able to get a 23-25 percent. But, now that Cuomo got all that good press from covid (And he didn’t even do that good of a job) it more than likely closed the door on that as well.

I do think AOC can push Gillibrand despite what that one poll states. Gillibrand isn’t that popular in NYS.

If I was AOC advisers I would have her stay in her safe house seat until she can run for president, Cuomo steps down, or run for mayor of NYC. De Blasio is pretty unpopular in NYC. I definitely think she can win that race. Cuomo been governor since 2010. Not sure how much longer he want to keep going. Depending on how the election go in November and who Biden’s VP is, she could run in 2024 and fill up that Bernie lane. At this time I think running for mayor of NYC is her most realistic option if she want to leave the house.
That's not saying anything because Cuomo was basically running against himself...Teachout and Nixon didn't push him, his landslide victory result was literally announced a minute after the polls closed...So I don't get where this ducktale that he was pushed comes from..
I also don't understand where the fukk does this belief AOC is relevant on a national stage to win an election outside of her district come from? Practically everyone she endorses loses...:russ:

Her district does not represent Amerikkka, it doesn't even represent the majority of the state let alone the city she resides in...AOC has no shot of winning anything in NYS other than her current seat...As much as this city hates De Blasio she probably couldn't beat him either...

Close but still took the expected L is not worth discussing, especially in this thread...If she tries to go for a bigger seat she going to go out like Berto in Texas...
 
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That's not saying anything because Cuomo was basically running against himself...Teachout and Nixon didn't push him, his landslide victory result was literally announced a minute after the polls closed...So I don't get where this ducktale that he was pushed comes from..
I also don't understand where the fukk does this belief AOC is relevant on a national stage to win an election outside of her district come from? Practically everyone she endorses loses...:russ:

Her district is not Amerikkka, it doesn't even represent the majority of the state let alone the city she resides in...AOC has no shot of winning anything in NYS other than her current seat...As much as this city hates De Blasio she probably couldn't beat him either...

Close but still took the expected L is not worth discussing, especially in this thread...If she tries to go for a bigger seat she going to go out like Berto in Texas...
It’s not duck tales. I said pushed not that the election was close. Teachout had zero name recognition, was outspent dramatically, and got Around 30 percent. If you know how elections work that is highly impressive and showed vulnerability for Cuomo. Nixon ran an incompetent campaign, didn’t have a record, and didn’t have a personality. AOC have high name recognition, and the ability to raise a ton of money. She would of still been the underdog, but I think she could get into the mid 40s.

I’m not even AOC’s biggest fan but you are underestimating her. She can definitely win state wide depending who she face. Can she beat Schumer or Cuomo? Probably not, but can she win if Cuomo decides not to run? Definitely. Unfortunately elections are rarely won on policy. It is won on name recognition, money, and ground game. She is one of the few progressives that have that combination.
 

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It’s not duck tales. I said pushed not that the election was close. Teachout had zero name recognition, was outspent dramatically, and got Around 30 percent. If you know how elections work that is highly impressive and showed vulnerability for Cuomo. Nixon ran an incompetent campaign, didn’t have a record, and didn’t have a personality. AOC have high name recognition, and the ability to raise a ton of money. She would of still been the underdog, but I think she could get into the mid 40s.

I’m not even AOC’s biggest fan but you are underestimating her. She can definitely win state wide depending who she face. Can she beat Schumer or Cuomo? Probably not, but can she win if Cuomo decides not to run? Definitely. Unfortunately elections are rarely won on policy. It is won on name recognition, money, and ground game. She is one of the few progressives that have that combination.
Berto had that to...how did that work out for him in Texas again?

Yes NY is not a red state like Texas but Cuomo, Schumer, Gillibrand all have strong moderate dem voters they can depend on and that is what makes up the majority of NYS...Upsate and LI CACs always show up, that's why whoever has their support, wins in NYS in a landslide...

AOC does not have their support, anyone whose been upstate or on LI can tell you that...Her supporters are no different than Bertos, progressives flop on election day because the bulk of their supporters are twitter hype activists, they're not dependable election day voters...

I won't say NEVER though for AOC, maybe in 20 years she might have a shot at a higher seat but definitely not within the next 5 or 10, especially not nationally...
 

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Berto had that to...how did that work out for him in Texas again?

Your argument loses merit when you compare Beto to AOC.

First of all, Beto didn't have near the name recognition until he started running and the Castro brothers turned down the race.

AOC would have way more name recognition going into a state-wide race.

Democrats haven't won a statewide election since 1994 in Texas, whereas in NY they routinely win.

I just think it would be a closer race for AOC in NY compared to Cuomo.
 

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Your argument loses merit when you compare Beto to AOC.

First of all, Beto didn't have near the name recognition until he started running and the Castro brothers turned down the race.

AOC would have way more name recognition going into a state-wide race.

Democrats haven't won a statewide election since 1994 in Texas, whereas in NY they routinely win.

I just think it would be a closer race for AOC in NY compared to Cuomo.
And as a resident of this state, I am telling you, you are dead wrong...

Not all name recognition is positive, it can also be negative that drives people to show up just to vote against you...

AOC name is tied to socialism, that may be a positive for you, that's a big negative for me and the majority of NYS...

Moderate Dems run NYS, without their support you ain't winning shyt outside the city...
 

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Berto had that to...how did that work out for him in Texas again?

Yes NY is not a red state like Texas but Cuomo, Schumer, Gillibrand all have strong moderate dem voters they can depend on and that is what makes up the majority of NYS...Upsate and LI CACs always show up, that's why whoever has their support, wins in NYS in a landslide...

AOC does not have their support, anyone whose been upstate or on LI can tell you that...Her supporters are no different than Bertos, progressives flop on election day because the bulk of their supporters are twitter hype activists, they're not dependable election day voters...

I won't say NEVER though for AOC, maybe in 20 years she might have a shot at a higher seat but definitely not within the next 5 or 10, especially not nationally...
I live in upstate NY. I was born and raised in Buffalo. Upstate do not determine who is elected statewide. Gillibrand is the only national figure that is from upstate and she was appointed. Up State NY population is just over 6 million, while downstate population is over 13 million.

AOC have way more name recognition than Beto did, and Beto only loss to Cruz by 3 points in a red state.
 

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And as a resident of this state, I am telling you, you are dead wrong...

Not all name recognition is positive, it can also be negative that drives people to show up just to vote against you...

AOC name is tied to socialism, that may be a positive for you, that's a big negative for me and the majority of NYS...

Moderate Dems run NYS, without their support you ain't winning shyt outside the city...


I live in upstate NY. I was born and raised in Buffalo. Upstate do not determine who is elected statewide. Gillibrand is the only national figure that is from upstate and she was appointed. Up State NY population is just over 6 million, while downstate population is over 13 million.

AOC have way more name recognition than Beto did, and Beto only loss to Cruz by 3 points in a red state.


This.


AOC would more than likely primary Gillibrand.

I agree with this
 

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AOC would get curb stomped if she primaried Schumer. Schumer is an institution and he has wide support across ALL REGIONS of New York State. He visits EVERY part of the state and gets a lot of shyt done. AOC would have no chance against Chuck.

Cuomo is not popular and he only won re-election in 2018 because of partisanship. He got destroyed Upstate (outside of Erie County). Luckily for Cuomo, NYC exists lol. However, I still don't think that AOC would beat Cuomo. Most Democratic primary voters here in NY are older and more moderate. That's not going to work in her favor. Also, Upstate WILL play a factor in her winning because she would be in heavy competition with Cuomo in NYC and if she's getting destroyed in Upstate as well (most likely she will be)......she's toast.


AOC's best bet is to:

1. Become a longtime House member and rise through the ranks

2. Run for NYC Mayor in 2021 or 2025.

3. Wait at least 10 years before running for Governor, Senator or any other higher office.
 

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Nice to see Karen Bass' name finally pop up.
The more I think of it, this might actually be his best pick.:ehh: She's not nationally known, but she has no baggage that I can think of and she has a record that would appeal to both black people and progressives. I was on Reddit and a couple of Bernie supporters were saying they would down for it considering she supports Medicare for All and the Green New Deal. She's also chair of the CBC.
 
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The more I think of it, this might actually be his best pick.:ehh: She's not nationally known, but she has no baggage that I can think of and she has a record that would appeal to both black people and progressives.
Devils advocate but where is the excitement and sizzle with them combined? Has to be an element of that in whoever is the pick.
 

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Devils advocate but where is the excitement and sizzle with them combined? Has to be an element of that in whoever is the pick.
True, won't lie they're just going to have to ride the momentum and energy of these protests in the streets combined with people's hate of Trump. Excitement starts at the top of the ticket and Biden just doesn't have it.:francis: At least this pick would help pacify some of the anger from the left.
 

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AOC would get curb stomped if she primaried Schumer. Schumer is an institution and he has wide support across ALL REGIONS of New York State. He visits EVERY part of the state and gets a lot of shyt done. AOC would have no chance against Chuck.

Cuomo is not popular and he only won re-election in 2018 because of partisanship. He got destroyed Upstate (outside of Erie County). Luckily for Cuomo, NYC exists lol. However, I still don't think that AOC would beat Cuomo. Most Democratic primary voters here in NY are older and more moderate. That's not going to work in her favor. Also, Upstate WILL play a factor in her winning because she would be in heavy competition with Cuomo in NYC and if she's getting destroyed in Upstate as well (most likely she will be)......she's toast.


AOC's best bet is to:

1. Become a longtime House member and rise through the ranks

2. Run for NYC Mayor in 2021 or 2025.

3. Wait at least 10 years before running for Governor, Senator or any other higher office.
I agree with most of this. Upstate NY is one of the hardest areas to make any type of predictions. For example, the county Buffalo is in (Erie County) have no rhyme or reason on how it votes. Obama blow out both McCain and Romney in Erie County. But Hillary only beat Trump by 2 points In the very same county. Also Bernie Sanders was decently popular here as well. Cuomo have become very popular in the county. Which is funny because the cacs here use to hate him.

I can see AOC becoming governor. I think it is a possibility that Cuomo could get a cabinet position, or not run for re-election. I definitely can see her becoming mayor of NYC if she want that position. IMO it doesn’t make since for her to challenge Schumer, Gillibrand, or Cuomo. It is an unnecessary risk when she can become a powerful house member.
 
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