Jay-Z is being investigated by the SEC over $200m Rocawear sale to ICONIX

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Are we dense or did you completely miss the post where he was supeonad and called into a court hearing he’s skipped (twice)

Or the post with a statement from his lawyer stating they feel like he’s being picked on because he’s an entertainer ?


you must be dumb

headline says Jay being investigated ....

NO HES NOT ..... the company he done business with is ..... how stupid can you be not to know the difference

DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT A SUPEONA IS???

All it says is we want you to appear in court to answer questions .... must people are supeonad to be witnesses .... so if Im being a witness against you then how does that make me the person investigated...

your as stupid as you are ignorant
 

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Outside of the music licensing residuals I’m really starting to wonder what he does to earn his money on a day to day basis..

Obviously he’s an entertainer/entrepreneur but does he have an office at Live Nation? Does he oversee the subdivisions like Rocnation sports and the music managing or is he just the face of all this?

Now let’s get analytical/critical ..

Why is a man worth a billion (or more so to speak) still touring?

I get a show here and there for the love.. but not still needing to do full on tours

Is he just the face for/of Livenation?


And now I’m 2018.. The Feds come knocking ?
Cac alert. Stop pocket watching :ufdup:
 

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Bro Jay Z is done.

I’ve been in here reading and processing all of this going back to the first court date he skipped in the hearing

All I can say is “ :snoop:

I guess he stepped on the wrong toes and now we get to witness his downfall.

Nikka needs to buy time and explain the legalities of being a bagman :francis:

Outside of the music licensing residuals I’m really starting to wonder what he does to earn his money on a day to day basis..

Obviously he’s an entertainer/entrepreneur but does he have an office at Live Nation? Does he oversee the subdivisions like Rocnation sports and the music managing or is he just the face of all this?

Now let’s get analytical/critical ..

Why is a man worth a billion (or more so to speak) still touring?

I get a show here and there for the love.. but not still needing to do full on tours

Is he just the face for/of Livenation?


And now I’m 2018.. The Feds come knocking ?

The guy from the Beatles still tours, U2 still tours, if you love music touring is what you do :yeshrug:
 

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you must be dumb

headline says Jay being investigated ....

NO HES NOT ..... the company he done business with is ..... how stupid can you be not to know the difference

DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT A SUPEONA IS???

All it says is we want you to appear in court to answer questions .... must people are supeonad to be witnesses .... so if Im being a witness against you then how does that make me the person investigated...

your as stupid as you are ignorant

Breh how you call a nikka dumb twice and you acknowledged my point (simple point) about him being called into court to testify?

If you’re clean, why wouldn’t you just show up (or have the lawyers show up) answer the questions and keep it moving?

That’s another simple question ^
 

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Breh how you call a nikka dumb twice and you acknowledged my point (simple point) about him being called into court to testify?

If you’re clean, why wouldn’t you just show up (or have the lawyers show up) and answer the questions and keep it moving


DUDE... you said he was done ??? dont fukking try and switch

you said that we were seeing his downfall


Its obvious you know shyt about shyt ....

you must be a fukking CAC to think "if your clean why wouldnt you show up" only a fukking square CAC thinks like that

SOME PEOPLE JUST DONT WANT TO GO TO COURT AND WILLINGLY SNITCH ON PEOPLE

get that through your think skull dummy
 

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Why is Uber worth a billion +? Tesla? Is it because of their net profits? :comeon:

You’re an idiot.

The point I’m trying to make is just because a company reports 700 million in revenue that doesn’t mean it selling for 200 million is a “red flag” as you stated.

Research methods of calculating the value of a business for your own sake if you have nothing better to do to understand the numerous factors
 

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DUDE... you said he was done ??? dont fukking try and switch

you said that we were seeing his downfall


Its obvious you know shyt about shyt ....

you must be a fukking CAC to think "if your clean why wouldnt you show up" only a fukking square CAC thinks like that

SOME PEOPLE JUST DONT WANT TO GO TO COURT AND WILLINGLY SNITCH ON PEOPLE

get that through your think skull dummy

I used your response and followed up with a simple question and you’re still being emotional?

You stated that it’s not that serious despite being summoned for a court hearing by the feds ..

I responded with a simple question?

Why not show up and answer the questions.. dead the situation and keep it moving
 

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You’re an idiot.

The point I’m trying to make is just because a company reports 700 million in revenue that doesn’t mean it selling for 200 million is a “red flag” as you stated.

Research methods of calculating the value of a business for your own sake if you have nothing better to do to understand the numerous factors

Please give me ONE example of a non distressed (no legal, internal, or financial issues) company that grossed over $500,000,000 that sold for less than half it's annual gross revenue in the last 100 years. If you can name just ONE company I will concede that you won this argument.
 
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I used your response and followed up with a simple question and you’re still being emotional?

You stated that it’s not that serious despite being summoned for a court hearing by the feds ..

I responded with a simple question?

Why not show up and answer the questions.. dead the situation and keep it moving

You don't show up because you may incriminate yourself and/or others, point blank. He will have to show up one or the other, hopefully he's just playing it smart for now and buying time to come up with a proper statement. Or at least a few more shots of distilled vodka with Russian mobsters before the FBI buries him under the field like Hoffa, it's real :wow:
 

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I used your response and followed up with a simple question and you’re still being emotional?

You stated that it’s not that serious despite being summoned for a court hearing by the feds ..

I responded with a simple question?

Why not show up and answer the questions.. dead the situation and keep it moving


dude every stupid question you asked has been answered ..... stop being obtuse

dont try and be slick .... at least own up to your own ignorance and stupidity ....

i hate dudes that cant admit when they are wrong or who cant stand by what they wrote ....

you can be given a federal summons AS A VICTIM of the defendant to give evidence against them... do you realise that ??? so you saying that its serious because he was given a summons further highlights your ignorance ...

once again you dont know shyt about shyt
 

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Please give me ONE example of a non distressed (no legal, internal, or financial issues) company that grossed over $500,000,000 that sold for less than half it's annual gross revenue in the last 100 years. If you can name just one company I will concede that you won this argument.

Why are you putting caveats in your question? Do you have insight into Rocawear’s financial statements at the time?

If so then rather share that info than your broad ramblings
 

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dude every stupid question you asked has been answered ..... stop being obtuse

dont try and be slick .... at least own up to your own ignorance and stupidity ....

i hate dudes that cant admit when they are wrong or who cant stand by what they wrote ....

you can be given a federal summons AS A VICTIM of the defendant to give evidence against them... do you realise that ??? so you saying that its serious because he was given a summons further highlights your ignorance ...

once again you dont know shyt about shyt

It's being assumed he's a victim, until it comes to the light he is an accessory. It's like if your wife gets murked, and you get subpoenaed, and you don't show up to court, it causes a lot of questions. Feds do this sh*t on purpose with these rap nikkaz, they love attacking their street credibility and forcing them to snitch or come clean. If Jay Z goes on the stands and LIES about not knowing about accounting irregularities then at that point he would be f*cked.
 

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Why are you putting caveats in your question? Do you have insight into Rocawear’s financial statements at the time?

If so then rather share that info than your broad ramblings

So what you're saying is that you can't find one company that sold for less than half of what it grossed in one year? Why am I not surprised? :mjpls: I already posted an article from the NYT stating that Rocawear had 700 million in gross sales and Iconix projected royalties of $43M (by the way which was something I mentioned in my first post in this thread that nobody else did when discussing valuing an apparel company). Based on the royalties $200Ms is fair, but you can sell the royalties without selling the whole business. Again, if a company is grossing $700M it's a billion dollar company. It's hard to find somewhere to park a billion dollars, so you usually find something that has enough cash flow and you take it from there. That's why you see a lot of big buildings and hotels go for billions of dollars, because people and hedge funds need to park the money somewhere, and even more so if it's a foreigner with dirty money. So if it was REALLY grossing that much Jay Z sold it for cheap, and then to further write it down is crazy. You bought the company for 5x royalties, what is there to write down? Also note in the article the company was sold with a line of credit from the now bankrupt and non existent Lehman Brothers. We're talking about hella retirement funds that lost money with Lehman Brothers. :francis: The only way all of this makes sense is that values were inflated from the very inception, Lehman got conned, money got washed, now the income is so low there isn't enough revenue to hide dirty money so they write it down. :francis: It was fun while it lasted :francis:
 
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It's being assumed he's a victim, until it comes to the light he is an accessory. It's like if your wife gets murked, and you get subpoenaed, and you don't show up to court, it causes a lot of questions. Feds do this sh*t on purpose with these rap nikkaz, they love attacking their street credibility and forcing them to snitch or come clean. If Jay Z goes on the stands and LIES about not knowing about accounting irregularities then at that point he would be f*cked.


How would he have knowledge about accounting irregularities when he isnt part of Iconix???

They are probably going to ask him if there were any irregularities concerning the sale of Rocawear if anything
 

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How would he have knowledge about accounting irregularities when he isnt part of Iconix???

They are probably going to ask him if there were any irregularities concerning the sale of Rocawear if anything

Jay-Z Cashes in With Rocawear Deal

Under the licensing deal, Jay-Z, whose real name is Shawn Carter, will keep his stake in the Rocawear operating company, which manufactures Rocawear’s clothing for men. He will also be in charge of product development, marketing and licensing for Rocawear.


Sorry breh, this hurts me to, Baby (scammer), Jay (bagman), 50 (snitch) , Ross (police), these are all people I idolized growing up, I feel your pain. :francis:
 
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