Japanese World War II veterans recall horrors of Unit 731

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Interesting tidbit from Wikipedia:

"Instead of being tried for war crimes, the researchers involved in Unit 731 were secretly given immunity by the U.S. in exchange for the data they gathered through human experimentation.[10] Others that Soviet forces managed to arrest first were tried at the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials in 1949. Americans did not try the researchers so that the information and experience gained in bio-weapons could be co-opted into the U.S. biological warfare program, as had happened with Nazi researchers in Operation Paperclip.[11] On 6 May 1947, Douglas MacArthur, as Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, wrote to Washington that "additional data, possibly some statements from Ishii probably can be obtained by informing Japanese involved that information will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed as 'War Crimes' evidence."[10] Victim accounts were then largely ignored or dismissed in the West as Communist propaganda.[12]"
We can thank our space program partly to Nazi rocket scientists too lol. Beating those evil commies after WW2 meant more than some pesky human rights abuses.
 
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Yea, still pretty amazing how they beat the ever living shyt out of China despite being so much smaller in the second sino-japenese war
Well China had several internal issues between the Nationalist party and communist party engaged in civil war. In fact when Japan first invaded, they didn't even both to defend themselves and continued infighting until the nationalists and the communists declared a temporary truce to battle the Japanese. It wasn't until the Japanese had a large enough presence in Manchuria (northern China) that they were like "uh...maybe we should stop fighting now".

Also Japan not only wanted to take after its western counterparts and also engage in colonialism (this was part of their gripe with western nations who hindered that) but also there was some past grudges against China for the fact that actually for a very long time up until the Sakoku period (During Japan's period of isolation), Japan paid tribute to China to avoid being invaded by the Chinese.
 

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i always wondered that, i would often give them credit but now hearing shyt like this it makes sense on what kind of playing field they were on.
stuff like this isnt so much a reason why. japan was much more industrialized in WWII, they were also a united country while china was in the middle of a civil war that divided their military groups.
 

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The Japanese were FAR worse than anything the Nazis did. And the scope was way wider. People in Asian countries still hate the Japanese for all the shyt they used to do in WWII to people.

And, the Japanese media would report the sick shyt soldiers did in the local newspapers like it was funny. Japanese were torturing, murdering, raping, and mutilating all over Asia.

Whenever they cry about getting nuked I’m :camby:
 

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This unit 731 was doing things like taking out people stomachs and tying their esophagus to their intestines to see what happened. Amputating limbs to observe the blood loss and how long the person would be alive for. Removing one persons arm, another persons leg, then sowing the arm where the leg was and vice versa. No anastetha all of their patients were alive and fully conscious as these operations went on

Then we won ww2 and invited these people along with german scientists to deflect and work for us. A lot of modern day knowledge of human anatomy (such as how to cure frostbite) comes from these experiments. Some of the head unit 731 head scientists went on to become very succesful japanese businessman.

None of this is taught in japanese schools
 

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Most people seem to view the Japanese as nice and cuddly today, but they've historically been incredibly vicious during warfare.

Japan where basically the only people who straight up beat back a mongol invasion too. Historically they haven’t been someone you want to fukk with.
 

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seems brushed over too :ehh:

you hear about the ovens, the gulags...not so much about the poor japanese


You know exactly why. Because Asian victims aren't seen as humans we can identify with the same way that European victims were.



Remember that CBS foreign correspondent Charlie D’Agata at the beginning of the war in Ukraine who said the quiet part out loud?

“This isn’t a place, with all due respect, like Iraq or Afghanistan that has seen conflict raging for decades. This is a relatively civilized, relatively European – I have to choose those words carefully, too – city where you wouldn’t expect that, or hope that it’s going to happen.”


Or that prosecutor they interviewed on the BBC?

“It’s very emotional for me because I see European people with blonde hair and blue eyes being killed every day with Putin’s missiles and his helicopters and his rockets.”


Or the French journalist Phillipe Corbé:

“We’re not talking here about Syrians fleeing the bombing of the Syrian regime backed by Putin, we’re talking about Europeans leaving in cars that look like ours to save their lives.”


Telegraph writer Daniel Hannan:

“They seem so like us. That is what makes it so shocking. Ukraine is a European country. Its people watch Netflix and have Instagram accounts, vote in free elections and read uncensored newspapers. War is no longer something visited upon impoverished and remote populations.”


Or even the Al Jazeera English reporter Peter Dobbie:

“Looking at them, the way they are dressed, these are prosperous … I’m loath to use the expression … middle-class people. These are not obviously refugees looking to get away from areas in the Middle East that are still in a big state of war. These are not people trying to get away from areas in North Africa. They look like any.”




The crazy shyt is that Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe and it IS a place that has seen conflict raging for an extended time. They'd already been actively fighting in Donbas since 2014, Crimea was annexed before that, they'd only escaped from Soviet oppression 25 years earlier and had violent resistant movements during the Cold War in addition to the horrific fighting during WW2 and the multiple wars there in-between WW2 and WW1. But because they're technically in Europe and full of white people, White Americans sympathize with them differently than they do with Syrians, even though Syria was basically a middle-class country itself before civil war.


Same goes with WW2. Westerners just don't give a shyt about Asian victims of war and genocide the way they care about European victims. I think Rwanda was probably the first time in history that the victimization of non-white people outside our borders really hit the American public in general at a level anything like that....and then 9/11 happened and it was, "Well fukk 'em if I'm scared" all over again.
 
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