It's never been about Peyton vs. Brady...It's BEEN about Manning the OC vs. Bill Belichek the DC

[NYC Rebel]

The OP isn't in anyway a novel concept. In every game it's one QB going against the other defense. I don't see the unique point being made here at all. It's common sense that Belli is a legend and that vs. match ups don't make all that sense when people aren't playing against each other. I think he slightly undermines his point creating a hypothetical where Brady would struggle against Bellicheck's defenses because that is indirectly comparing the two players while claiming that isn't what the thread is about. But besides that, Bellicheck had great players on defense and was able to scheme accordingly. Takeaway those great players and we have seen his defenses struggle (though he gets more out of them than anyone else). Your point is basically about what an elite QB would do against Bellicheck defenses sporting Wilfork, Seymour, Ty Law and WIllie McGinest or the LT's of the world...no shyt it would be a struggle for anyone. Yet, we saw Jake Delhomme light up the Patriots defense in the SB. It's not some impossible feat, and we have no evidence that Brady would have the same amount of difficulty doing it as Peyton. So that should not have been suggested. Peyton in recent years is better against the Ravens than Brady, and Brady always shytted on the Steelers to an extent Peyton did not.

So let's give Tom Brady prime Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, the Colts O-line, prime Edgerrin James, Stokley in the slot, pollard at TE and see if he wouldn't be able to eventually crack a Bellicheck defense after seeing him two times a year every year (regular season and playoffs). There's no evidence to support that. We've seen bum ass Jets and Bills teams find ways to open up Bellicheck defenses just off of familiarity. Last, this Peyton Manning is the "only QB\O-coordinator" in the league statement is pretty funny. He does nothing on a Sunday since Charlie Weis left that Brady doesn't do. Nothing. There is a reason that Tom Brady is the guy who Peyton Manning calls (because surprising to most, they're boys) when discussing how to break down an opponent.

Ask Dungy:



It is always about the offense vs. the defense, but let's not go further than that and get into unfounded hypotheticals.

Come on man. It's not a slight saying Brady would struggle against Beli. He's the GOAT. I saw Beli defense stop Bo Jackson in his prime man

 

[NYC Rebel]

That debate is occurring because of how you shaped your convoluted "one main point"

Your title has "Peyton vs Brady" in it and you're wondering why people are talking about that. lol

You also seem to think that because you present one valid point about heads up QB comparisons that people are going to accept this complete bullshyt about Peyton Manning being a true OC and the only QB that you could possibly compare to "Belichek".

People are stupid. I tell why it's not and they insist it is and you as a result say my point is wrong because they're dumb, yourself not showing why my point is flawed. NOW you want to altogether discredit Peyton being his own OC.

I've seen Beli tear apart Walsh my dude. You're not matching wits with dude and often winning

 

[JYoung24]

1.)In the fourth quarter they gave up 2 touchdowns against the rams and gave up he lead. In the SB against the Carolina panthers they gave up 19 points in the 4th quarter. The second half against the colts in 07' is one of the biggest defensive breakdowns in history(16 in the 4th, over 30 in the second half).Gave up 2 touchdowns in the fourth to the giants in 08' including making eli march 80 yards down the field. The other SB against the giants same story, another 80 yard drive to give up the lead. As I said before, they have a history of late game collapses and not being able to get off the field in winning time. I'll take my chances with Tom brady

2.) tom Brady's defenses in the playoffs haven't been any better then Peyton's statistically in the playoffs. In fact they have been close to identical overall and wins and losses so lets not even go there

Tom brady got plenty of choke jobs in the playoffs ill take my chances with viniteri

 

[JYoung24]

With a Receiving core of

Troy brown
David patten
Deion branch
Cristian Faurie

I'm trying to find a QB who has led the league in Passig TD's with a worse core and its hard. That was his first full year As a starter as well

He has the best system I ever seen all them dudes managed to be wide open and turn 5 yard passes into big gains

 

[NYC Rebel]

That debate is occurring because of how you shaped your convoluted "one main point"

Your title has "Peyton vs Brady" in it and you're wondering why people are talking about that. lol

You also seem to think that because you present one valid point about heads up QB comparisons that people are going to accept this complete bullshyt about Peyton Manning being a true OC and the only QB that you could possibly compare to "Belichek".

You seem to think "what people think" matters. People are stupid and argue with no one. I'm still wondering where you discredited my point after agreeing that qb vs qb game comparisons are ass.

 

[cook]

2007 Patriots: 4th ranked defense, allowing 17.1 points a game

2013 Broncos: 23rd ranked defense allowing 25.7 points a game

what about the rankings of the defenses the 2013 broncos have faced compared to the defenses the 2007 pats played?



2013 Bronocs: 30th hardest defensive schedule
2007 Patriots: 11th hardest defensive schedule

People are stupid. I tell why it's not and they insist it is and you as a result say my point is wrong because they're dumb, yourself not showing why my point is flawed. NOW you want to altogether discredit Peyton being his own OC.

I've seen Beli tear apart Walsh my dude. You're not matching wits with dude and often winning

What makes you think Manning is his own OC? Is he running his own offense or something?

 

[cook]

You seem to think "what people think" matters. People are stupid and argue with no one. I'm still wondering where you discredited my point after agreeing that qb vs qb game comparisons are ass.

Which point are you referring to? I've lost track of all of them.

 

[Savior]

I dont get the point of this thread but I assume that its QB's shouldnt be compared at all since offenses dont face each other on the field? Yea thats a losing battle right there.

 

[protestor]

I dont get the point of this thread but I assume that its QB's shouldnt be compared at all since offenses dont face each other on the field? Yea thats a losing battle right there.

I think the point is:
The media narrative has been a rivalry between Manning and Brady.
When its Always been a chess match between Belli and Manning
The Media just glanced over that point for so many years.

Brady vs Manning has been more about Manning vs Belli
Just like Brady vs Jets has been Brady vs Rex
Brady vs Ravens has been more like Brady vs Ray Lewis and company. Nobody is including Mark Sanchez and Joe flacco in those discussion.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I think the point is:
The media narrative has been a rivalry between Manning and Brady.
When its Always been a chess match between Belli and Manning
The Media just glanced over that point for so many years.

Brady vs Manning has been more about Manning vs Belli
Just like Brady vs Jets has been Brady vs Rex
Brady vs Ravens has been more like Brady vs Ray Lewis and company. Nobody is including Mark Sanchez and Joe flacco in those discussion.

 

[cook]

I think the point is:
The media narrative has been a rivalry between Manning and Brady.
When its Always been a chess match between Belli and Manning
The Media just glanced over that point for so many years.

Brady vs Manning has been more about Manning vs Belli
Just like Brady vs Jets has been Brady vs Rex
Brady vs Ravens has been more like Brady vs Ray Lewis and company. Nobody is including Mark Sanchez and Joe flacco in those discussion.

That might be the underlining point but the OP took it a step further by trying to spin it into this argument that Manning should be the only QB thats measured against Belichick because he believes (lol) that Manning is the actual OC.

 

[NYC Rebel]

That might be the underlining point but the OP took it a step further by trying to spin it into this argument that Manning should be the only QB thats measured against Belichick because he believes (lol) that Manning is the actual OC.

Dog.....if you're only point is saying Manning isn't an OC for his team then so be it. You spent most of your time in this thread defending the fact that dumb asses were still making it about manning. Vs. Brady as if I was responsible for their stupidity. Look at how many posts you made dedicated to that.

Manning calls all the plays from the LOS based on his decisions....not from calls signaled in from the sidelines.

 

[FTBS]

C'mon Breh!

record without Brady is 51-65

record WITH Brady 150-43


Even Belicheck would give you the face

And Brady without Beli is a guy who lost his job to a freshman and got passed on by every team in the league multiple times in the draft. Not shytting on Brady by any means but nikkas always wanna talk about how Beli fared without Brady (as and HC i might add, nikka won two rings as the head of some great defenses) as if this nikka Brady has accomplished anything of note without Beli. Brady was the perfect QB for Beli and Beli was the perfect coach for Brady. No need to try to discredit one or the other.

 

[Danie84]

Humble Peyton just have to develop (especially for this playoff, because it's Super Bowl or bust for

Broncos) the no fukk given attitude of the Golden Boy and Beli, then it'll be Payback, I knew you bytch nikka from way back

 

[Pack2]

I think the point is:
The media narrative has been a rivalry between Manning and Brady.
When its Always been a chess match between Belli and Manning
The Media just glanced over that point for so many years.

Brady vs Manning has been more about Manning vs Belli
Just like Brady vs Jets has been Brady vs Rex
Brady vs Ravens has been more like Brady vs Ray Lewis and company. Nobody is including Mark Sanchez and Joe flacco in those discussion.

Brady vs Manning comparisons is because both of them are among the GOAT QBs with MVPs and Super Bowls to their credit...arguably ranked 1 and 2 every single year

Brady would never be compared to Sanchez or Flacco because they arent anywhere near his level...

Greats being compared to each other is not absurd or new, whether it is right or wrong. It is not exclusive to Brady and Manning