It’s A Splash Bros Reunion! Are You Kuminga To The Poole Party? Warriors 2022 Season Thread

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This is all we been trying to say… Gill ain’t trying to hear it tho lol
I’ll be very objective with wiseman this season

I’ve been a supporter since day 1 but if he doesn’t perform or sore signs of improvement during the season then I’ll have to fall back. Ideally he will limit the amount of time we have to play looney in the regular season

The reps should be there this season so no excuses. Realistically i expect him to start off a a liability but then start to come into his own after Christmas
 
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Not really especially if they played college ball. Wiseman has been injured for over a year and barely played in college. If he came out balling I'd be surprised.

The whole point of him playing in the summer league is so he can get reps and develop.

Give him a full year breh, when you talk about Wiseman, you sound exactly like Chicago, can't stop and Dwight Howard when they talk about Steph.
It's not about him ballin' though.

It's about him showing the awareness and ability to do the simple things that all big men should be doing. I couldn't care less if he made 7 threes, and/or scored 30 points or whatever arbitrary mark of box score stats you believe is ballin'. This is where the disconnect lies between what y'all are seeing/hoping for him and where my criticism stands. Those undrafted bigs for the Spurs [Days and Carlton] were more effective because they were boxing out properly, hitting the glass, using their physicality and size, setting sound screens, and doing all the shyt that allows a big to be effective when they don't have the ball in their hands. The type of shyt that allowed Looney to be great in his role during the playoffs.

Ask yourself why was Looney as effective as he was when he only averaged six points this season?

No player should need any reps or develop or to play any games to demonstrate those things. It's like riding a bike, even after years of not riding one, you still can just hop on and know what to do. Reps is only going to improve skill specific shyt (like Kuminga needing reps to improve his free-throw shooting and his shot, in general), it's not going to improve how to screen properly or to show effort and purpose when you don't have the ball - those are things you come into the league having.

Wiseman literally looks lost in almost every action where the ball isn't in his hands, and for someone that is 21, that is troubling.
 

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It's not about him ballin' though.

It's about him showing the awareness and ability to do the simple things that all big men should be doing. I couldn't care less if he made 7 threes, and/or scored 30 points or whatever arbitrary mark of box score stats you believe is ballin'. This is where the disconnect lies between what y'all are seeing/hoping for him and where my criticism stands. Those undrafted bigs for the Spurs [Days and Carlton] were more effective because they were boxing out properly, hitting the glass, using their physicality and size, setting sound screens, and doing all the shyt that allows a big to be effective when they don't have the ball in their hands. The type of shyt that allowed Looney to be great in his role during the playoffs.

Ask yourself why was Looney as effective as he was when he only averaged six points this season?

No player should need any reps or develop or to play any games to demonstrate those things. It's like riding a bike, even after years of not riding one, you still can just hop on and know what to do. Reps is only going to improve skill specific shyt (like Kuminga needing reps to improve his free-throw shooting and his shot, in general), it's not going to improve how to screen properly or to show effort and purpose when you don't have the ball - those are things you come into the league having.

Wiseman literally looks lost in almost every action where the ball isn't in his hands, and for someone that is 21, that is troubling.
No nikka

If you ain’t constantly praising a team, then ur a hater. Expressing doubt, uneasiness or unhappiness is not part of the cult-uh, I mean FAN, experience
 

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No nikka

If you ain’t constantly praising a team, then ur a hater. Expressing doubt, uneasiness or unhappiness is not part of the cult-uh, I mean FAN, experience
It’s possible to show doubt or dissatisfaction and hold people accountable in an unemotional or even supportive way though. I think that’s the thing that annoys some people.

It’s times ppl in the thread stubbornly berate players so much that it makes you wonder what’s more important to them, the team doing well or them being right?
 
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It’s possible to show doubt or dissatisfaction and hold people accountable in an unemotional or even supportive way though. I think that’s the thing that annoys some people.

It’s times ppl in the thread stubbornly berate players so much that it makes you wonder what’s more important to them, the team doing well or them being right?
Or maybe at times they're berating players because they want the team to do well.

Case in point: not wanting the Warriors to draft Wiseman because he was too much of a project for a win-now team, and three seasons later him still proving that. Stubbornly believing in players despite it not being in tune with the team doing well is more the issue here. Like if Wiseman wasn't on this squad, would anyone still hold the same opinion of him?

Most probably not.
 
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Or maybe at times they're berating players because they want the team to do well.

Case in point: not wanting the Warriors to draft Wiseman because he was too much of a project for a win-now team, and three seasons later him proving that. Stubbornly believing in players despite it not being in tune with the team doing well is more the issue here. Like if Wiseman wasn't on this squad, would anyone still hold the same opinion of him?

Most probably not.
Had we drafted Melo do you think Poole would have developed into the player he is now?
 

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Or maybe at times they're berating players because they want the team to do well.

Case in point: not wanting the Warriors to draft Wiseman because he was too much of a project for a win-now team, and three seasons later him proving that. Stubbornly believing in players despite it not being in tune with the team doing well is more the issue here. Like if Wiseman wasn't on this squad, would anyone still hold the same opinion of him?

Most probably not.
the key word was stubbornly. like i said, nothing wrong with berating. there were times after the all star break and during curry's slump and the team's losing streak that i was mad as hell at steph/wiggins ,...and the team at large for instance

but its important to be able to acknowledge the good with the bad in my opinion.

its very possible Wiseman ends up a bust since he is behind a good 2 years now in terms of development between the Memphis fiasco and this injury. However I believe in the staff and think he will be motivated seeing what the team accomplished without him. He's potentially one year and a rejected team option from being out the league or forced to be a Sacramento King "lets take a flyer on him" type player at best. If that dont motivate him than so be it.

one thing I will say though, is that I am happy how everything has turned out regardless of whether or not he pans out. Call it the butterfly effect. Who knows what drafting Lamelo instead could have meant as far as Poole's development and us winning another ring. IMO, everything has played out perfectly and I wouldnt change a thing

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Had we drafted Melo do you think Poole would have developed into the player he is now?
Yes.

I mentioned the other the day that Poole's improvement is based on him maxing out the strengths he had coming into the league. All his weaknesses are still his weaknesses: he's not a good defender and his decision making still isn't there. He's still the same player he is now, regardless of who the Warriors drafted back in '20. And the thing you must remember here too is, Wiseman has no value and has been a dead spot on this roster, so he's essentially been the worst of both worlds.

Drafting Melo would've forced the Warriors to invest in a big man (instead of relying on Wiseman), and if he came to be that they had to decide between him or Poole, either one of them would have enough value to trade for a legit big. Wiseman is neither a legit big nor does he have the value to trade for a legit big.
the key word was stubbornly. like i said, nothing wrong with berating. there were times after the all star break and during curry's slump and the team's losing streak that i was mad as hell at steph/wiggins ,...and the team at large for instance

but its important to be able to acknowledge the good with the bad in my opinion.

its very possible Wiseman ends up a bust since he is behind a good 2 years now in terms of development between the Memphis fiasco and this injury. However I believe in the staff and think he will be motivated seeing what the team accomplished without him. He's potentially one year from being out the league or forced to be a Sacramento King "lets take a flyer on him" type player at best. If that dont motivate him than so be it.

one thing I will say though, is that I am happy how everything has turned out regardless of whether or not he pans out. Call it the butterfly effect. Who knows what drafting Lamelo instead could have meant as far as Poole's development and us winning another ring. IMO, everything has played out perfectly and I wouldnt change a thing

:manny:
Drafting Melo doesn't affect Poole's development. He still puts the work in to improve his game (because he has that dog in him), if not even more with Melo as competition to his spot. And besides, let's not act like Poole is some can't-miss-prospect who was essential to the Warriors winning a title this season. He was wildly inconsistent (which is to be expected) and was borderline unplayable at points during the playoffs.

Who knows if Poole even has a future on this team moving forward. Both Moody and Kuminga could put the front office in a position of letting him go.

It's telling when the greatest compliment you can conjure up for drafting Wiseman is how Poole improved his game. It's nothing about Wiseman himself, but another player who's a guard and his development.

And regardless of all that @Ohene and @BigMoneyGrip, why center this around drafting Melo instead? There's an infinite amount of other routes they could've taken instead of drafting Wiseman. You don't think actually trading that pick for some vet help would've been better too? Vet help in the context of a big man, where Poole still develops as it now stands and the Warriors have proper frontcourt depth?
 

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Feels like this thread is just gonna be a back and forth between pro wiseman and anti wiseman all season :francis:
All I said is the nikka needs to grab more than two rebounds and apparently that was too controversial for this thread :russ:
 
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