Israeli Interior Minister on immigration: "this country belongs to us, to the white man."

[The Real]

Not to mention dude was misquoted.

"Racist" Quote Mistranslated by Ha'aretz | HonestReporting

After reading that, I am unclear on how it changes anything. It seems to me their hairsplitting doesn't actually change the content of his words. At the end of the day, he is expressing incredulity at immigrants who believe that the country doesn't belong to people like him, the "white man," which suggests that he endorses precisely that belief himself. In other words, whether or not he's saying it himself, or he's putting it in the mouths of the immigrants, the fact is that "this country belongs to us, to the white man" is a statement he endorses.

In addition, he has made crypto-racist remarks before, so it's not as if this would represent an anomalous statement on his record, and only adds more plausibility to it.

 

[Czar]

no Angels mixed with humans & created the hybrid but that's beside the point

Someone come get this dude and put him back on the short bus please.

 

[MostReal]

Someone come get this dude and put him back on the short bus please.

so you don't believe in the bible now

 

[Czar]

After reading that, I am unclear on how it changes anything. It seems to me their hairsplitting doesn't actually change the content of his words. At the end of the day, he is expressing incredulity at immigrants who believe that the country doesn't belong to people like him, the "white man," which suggests that he endorses precisely that belief himself. In other words, whether or not he's saying it himself, or he's putting it in the mouths of the immigrants, the fact is that "this country belongs to us, to the white man" is a statement he endorses.

In addition, he has made crypto-racist remarks before, so it's not as if this would represent an anomalous statement on his record, and only adds more plausibility to it.

From Jewish Press, which was linked in the same article.

id Ha’aretz purposely twist and selectively use Eli Yishai’s words to make him sound racist, or did they leave out a very important sentence from his talk by accident?
The sub-headline in an English language article in Ha’aretz on June 3rd says:

Interior Minister says migrants do not recognize that Israel ‘belongs to the white man.’

This statement is expanded and the message reinforced at the end of the article in what is supposedly Yishai’s entire quote:

Meanwhile on Sunday, Israeli daily Maariv published an interview with Interior Minister Eli Yishai, in which he stated that most of the “Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man.” “I will continue the struggle until the end of my term, with no compramises,” Yishai continued, stating that he would use “all the tools to expel the foreigners, until not one infiltrator remains.”

One problem.

This isn’t the entire quote. One very important sentence has been excised from the middle of Yishai’s speech.

The original Hebrew in Maariv says:

רוב האנשים שבאים הנה הם מוסלמים שחושבים שהארץ בכלל לא שייכת לנו, לאדם הלבן. כמה מהם דיברו על כך בגלוי בטלוויזיה. אני הולך להמשיך את המאבק שלי עד סוף הקדנציה, בלי פשרות. אפעיל את כל הכלים לגירוש זרים. שלא יהיה כאן אף מסתנן

The first sentence is better translated as:

“Most of the people coming here are Moslems who think the land doesn’t belong to us at all, to the white man.”

With the more accurate translation above, it is clear that Yishai is not expressing his perspective, but those of the infiltrators.

The subsequent sentence, which Ha’aretz excised, leaves no doubt about whose views he was expressing:

“A number of them have said that openly on television.”

Eli Yishai is not saying Israel belongs to the ‘white man’. Eli Yishai is quoting the infiltrators, and it is the infiltrators who have said that Israel doesn’t belong to the “white man.”

Ha’aretz left out one little sentence. But that sentence dictates whether Yishai was promoting racism. The real question then, is whether Ha’aretz omitted it purposefully or by mistake? Unfortunately, its past record suggests the former over the latter.

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In a related note, last week Ha’aretz originally referred to the tent city being built to hold the infiltrators as a “Concentration Camp“, until the description was taken down an hour later.​

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In case you're unfamiliar with Haaretz

Haaretz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CAMERA: Ha’aretz Fuels Anti-Israel Bias
News and views that inspire love or kindle hatred | Toronto Star

 

[MostReal]

we read the information breh, no need to post all of that.

It still doesn't change anything

 

[Czar]

so you don't believe in the bible now

I definitely believe the Bible.

I don't believe you you need more people.

 

[TLOL is back]

After reading that, I am unclear on how it changes anything. It seems to me their hairsplitting doesn't actually change the content of his words. At the end of the day, he is expressing incredulity at immigrants who believe that the country doesn't belong to people like him, the "white man," which suggests that he endorses precisely that belief himself. In other words, whether or not he's saying it himself, or he's putting it in the mouths of the immigrants, the fact is that "this country belongs to us, to the white man" is a statement he endorses.

In addition, he has made crypto-racist remarks before, so it's not as if this would represent an anomalous statement on his record, and only adds more plausibility to it.

Not really. It only indicates that he thinks that the country belongs to Israelis -- and that he is aware that some of the immigrants call him (a Tunisian) and other fellow Israelis "the white man." That's about it. So what's up with posting a 2 year old story with a misquote? You must have a lot of hatred in your heart, more than Israelis could ever have.

 

[Czar]

we read the information breh, no need to post all of that.

It still doesn't change anything

Go to bed lil one, this is grown man b.i. The adults are talking.

 

[The Real]

From Jewish Press, which was linked in the same article.

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In case you're unfamiliar with Haaretz

Haaretz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CAMERA: Ha’aretz Fuels Anti-Israel Bias
News and views that inspire love or kindle hatred | Toronto Star

Ok, but this doesn't settle the question of whether or not Yishai's statement was still racially questionable in context, which I believe is still true after looking at the alleged corrections and other statements he's made in the past. There's no way to read that line other than that he himself endorses the idea that Israel belongs to "the white man," even if he's using Muslims as a mouthpiece to voice that belief by contrast.

Not really. It only indicates that he thinks that the country belongs to Israelis -- and that he is aware that some of the immigrants call him (a Tunisian) and other fellow Israelis "the white man." That's about it. So what's up with posting a 2 year old story with a misquote? You must have a lot of hatred in your heart, more than Israelis could ever have.

What does posting this have to do with having "hatred in my heart?" I posted it because I found it interesting that an Israeli politician could so openly identify with a form of white nationalism that is itself questionable when it comes to the perception of non-white Jews, particularly those from Africa and Asia who have been treated unfairly in the past.

Yishai has a history of making racist statements against legal African refugees as well, which is troubling regardless of who the country belongs to.

 

[Broke Wave]

Ok, but this doesn't settle the question of whether or not Yishai's statement was still racially questionable in context, which I believe is still true after looking at the alleged corrections and other statements he's made in the past. There's no way to read that line other than that he himself endorses the idea that Israel belongs to "the white man," even if he's using Muslims as a mouthpiece to voice that belief by contrast.





What does posting this have to do with having "hatred in my heart?" I posted it because I found it interesting that an Israeli politician could so openly identify with a form of white nationalism that is itself questionable when it comes to the perception of non-white Jews, particularly those from Africa and Asia who have been treated unfairly in the past.

That's the same dikkhead who asked me to produce a law that says the settlements in the West Bank are illegal, and when I told him about the Geneva Convention, he acted like there was no such thing as international law at all

The irony of an Israeli nationalist believing that international law is invalid when his entire nation was created by it is definitely lost on him along with functioning reasoning capacity.



@Czar I'm to believe you are actually a black zionist christian who used to be a hebrew israelite Stop it 5

 

[Type Username Here]

Ok, but this doesn't settle the question of whether or not Yishai's statement was still racially questionable in context, which I believe is still true after looking at the alleged corrections and other statements he's made in the past. There's no way to read that line other than that he himself endorses the idea that Israel belongs to "the white man," even if he's using Muslims as a mouthpiece to voice that belief by contrast.





What does posting this have to do with having "hatred in my heart?" I posted it because I found it interesting that an Israeli politician could so openly identify with a form of white nationalism that is itself questionable when it comes to the perception of non-white Jews, particularly those from Africa and Asia who have been treated unfairly in the past.

Yishai has a history of making racist statements against legal African refugees as well, which is troubling regardless of who the country belongs to.

And it's also not an isolated incident that happened 2 years ago. There was huge coverage a few months back about Israeli politicians using very charged words when describing these people. They also continue to lock them up.

 

[LionofJudah]

That's the same dikkhead who asked me to produce a law that says the settlements in the West Bank are illegal, and when I told him about the Geneva Convention, he acted like there was no such thing as international law at all

The irony of an Israeli nationalist believing that international law is invalid when his entire nation was created by it is definitely lost on him along with functioning reasoning capacity.



@Czar I'm to believe you are actually a black zionist christian who used to be a hebrew israelite Stop it 5

Exactly, but when you pretend to be God's Chosen people, there's nothing else you WON'T lie about.

 

[TLOL is back]

What does posting this have to do with having "hatred in my heart?"

We can start with the fact that the story is 2 years old.

so openly identify with a form of white nationalism

None of which is reflected in the quote.

when it comes to the perception of non-white Jews

He is not White.

Yishai has a history of making racist statements against legal African refugees as well

Have you examined the validity of those quotes, or did you blindly believe those to be accurately translated like this one? Rhetorical question.

 

[The Real]

We can start with the fact that the story is 2 years old.

Ok, but again, I posted it because of what I saw as anomalous in his statement. I was surprised to see an Israeli identifying with white nationalism. If you want to identify my posting about this one person as some kind of wide-scale, hate-based attack not just on him, but implicitly on Israelis as a whole, you're going to have to provide some better reasons.

None of which is reflected in the quote.

Yes it is. On this particular point, you don't have a case. There is no reasonable way to interpret the quote otherwise. You suggested that he meant that Muslims believe that people like him are "the white man" and don't believe that the country belongs to that group- again, this is precisely a way of identifying with those statements by contrast. If I said "Black people don't believe that this country belongs to white people" in the context of being a white man who opposes a Black presence here, I am precisely saying that this country belongs to white people, particularly if I don't reject the characterization of the beliefs I impute to Black people.

He is not White.

I know. That's why I found this strange enough to post.

Have you examined the validity of those quotes, or did you blindly believe those to be accurately translated like this one? Rhetorical question.

As far as I know, they accurately reflect his sentiments, just like this one does.

 

[No1]

So @The Real your choice, this thread stays here in HL, or I swing it to FS and let people beef to their heart's content. I don't have the time to be deleting all these posts in the middle of a basketball game. Czar and LoJ are about to make me sponsor bi-weekly Free Speech beef threads.