israel gonna israel.
Israel kills 120, injures 14,000 during protests at Gaza border
ejthompson23
Vagabon
You said a whole lot of nothing
while ignoring the realities on the ground...
DirtyD
Last Time That I Checc'd......
Way to refute none of my points.You said a whole lot of nothing
ejthompson23
Vagabon
All your points are bullshyt and unrelated to the realities on the ground...Israel is simply not gonna sit back and have millions of people overrun its borders and do nothing
15 killed is low casualties...if Israel sprayed them with water guns y’all woulda wined, pepper spray them y’all woulda wined...short of allowing 5 million Palestinians to “return” to Israel, nothing else would be acceptable to you which is why Israel should just handle business and not care about outsider opinions...Egypt don’t even care who gets mad when they shoot INNOCENT BLACK UNARMED SUDANESE REFUGEES FLEEING REAL GENOCIDE IN DARFUR at their borders and c00ns never call them out on it...
panopticon
Superstar
Believe it or not, this is a good thing. 
Hear me out.
The Palestinians face the same dilemma that every conquered people have throughout history: to either acquiesce to their conquerors or resist.
They've chosen resistance, which is 100% their right and which I support. All people have the right to pursue self-determination - but ultimately, they must earn their freedom.
Their conquerors are now unquestionably technologically and organizationally superior. So any violent resistance efforts undertaken by the Palestinians at this point will be pretty rapidly neutralized, and ultimately ineffective. In the 50s, 60s, and into the mid-70s, although the Israelis still had the advantage technologically, the Palestinians enjoyed the support of the Soviet Union and other Arab states in terms of armament, financial lifelines, etc. - making violent resistance a potentially effective approach.
What the Palestinians have now is a rapidly growing population (compared to Israel's barely-growing IDF-eligible population due to depressed birthrates among non-Hasidic Jews), and an improved perception among citizens in the most powerful countries in the world. The Israeli border wall has reduced suicide bomb attacks on public buses, restaurants, etc. to near zero, and memories of the 1970s executions of Israeli Olympic athletes are rapidly fading.
At this point, even among American Jews (especially millenials and below), Palestinians are more pitied than they are feared. Again, a good thing.
If the Palestinians are serious about their resistance efforts, they're going to need to stage nonviolent demonstrations 10 times this size on a regular basis. They will lose many of their own, and it will take enormous discipline on their part to maintain unity and cohesion while being gunned down by Israeli soldiers.
The model that the Palestinians should follow is one that was first innovated by the Moroccans in the early 1970s, known as the Green March.
Green March - Wikipedia
The Moroccans wanted to reclaim what was then known as the Spanish Sahara from its Spanish colonizers. So they massed 350,000 Moroccan citizens on the border, marched them across, and dared the Spanish soldiers to shoot unarmed demonstrators. The Spanish soldiers couldn't bring themselves to fire on the Moroccans, and the territory was returned to Moroccan control.
Believe it or not, no matter how much hate a soldier might have in his heart, it is extremely tough to pull the trigger and take the life of an elderly man barely able to shuffle his feet, or a pregnant woman, or a child running circles around his extended family. Soldiers are trained to kill other soldiers, and can do that without hesitation - but when facing civilians, their discipline starts to break down as natural human instincts begin to kick in.
The goal with large-scale, peaceful demonstrations and attempts to break through the wall is to demoralize the Israeli military by forcing their soldiers to kill innocent civilians. A really intelligent leader of such demonstrations would be sure to put the elderly and disabled in the front line of the demonstration, and have them be the first to take pickaxes and crowbars to the wall.
Can you imagine the blowback if there's clear video of an elderly man with cancer barely able to get out of his wheelchair, taking a pickax to a concrete wall and is then killed by an Israeli soldier?
Especially if he was beloved by his community, a guy known for charitable works or tutoring children or maintaining a community garden before he became ill?
Imagine the media firestorm that would ensue...interviews with the kids he tutored
, interviews with his elderly wife surrounded by tearful family members , photos of him when he could still walk tending to his garden a story about the birds who would come to his garden to snack on his tomato seeds and how he had names for all of them ...this is how you humanize a people's struggle.
If the Palestinians are able to do this repeatedly, they'll eventually end up breaking through. Remember that IDF soldiers are all drafted - many want nothing to do with killing innocents, and all it takes is for one unit's morale to break down under the pressure of commands from superior officers to fire and their own individual consciences for the Palestinians to win a victory.
Even more important than the first breakthrough is how the Palestinians treat the soldiers who they'll most likely overrun. They can't kill them. They have to instead be celebrated, their pictures distributed across media outlets, be lauded for their moral courage, etc. There can be zero violence against Israeli soldiers if the Palestinians want to win - because the minute they decide to (rightfully) string up, castrate, torture, and execute occupation soldiers, they'll engender a massive internal reaction from all remaining Israeli soldiers - they'll no longer see the Palestinian protesters as a pitiable people who God would never forgive them for killing, but instead as a genuine threat that must be eliminated.
For the Palestinian resistance to be successful, they're going to have to dare the Israelis to exterminate them.
The Israelis lack the internal cohesion to do so - the one thing that has kept Israel from exploding politically in the past 30-40 years is the threat of Palestinian (and broader Arab/Muslim) violence. Remove that threat, and the internal factions within Israel will consume themselves with infighting, intrigue and dissension.
As the Israeli population becomes more averse to taking military casualties (lower birthrates mean each child of a family is more valuable, and nobody wants to lose their only son to a stupid war), the Palestinian advantage with this approach only continues to grow.
They can win this, they really can. They just have to stay disciplined.
Hear me out.
The Palestinians face the same dilemma that every conquered people have throughout history: to either acquiesce to their conquerors or resist.
They've chosen resistance, which is 100% their right and which I support. All people have the right to pursue self-determination - but ultimately, they must earn their freedom.
Their conquerors are now unquestionably technologically and organizationally superior. So any violent resistance efforts undertaken by the Palestinians at this point will be pretty rapidly neutralized, and ultimately ineffective. In the 50s, 60s, and into the mid-70s, although the Israelis still had the advantage technologically, the Palestinians enjoyed the support of the Soviet Union and other Arab states in terms of armament, financial lifelines, etc. - making violent resistance a potentially effective approach.
What the Palestinians have now is a rapidly growing population (compared to Israel's barely-growing IDF-eligible population due to depressed birthrates among non-Hasidic Jews), and an improved perception among citizens in the most powerful countries in the world. The Israeli border wall has reduced suicide bomb attacks on public buses, restaurants, etc. to near zero, and memories of the 1970s executions of Israeli Olympic athletes are rapidly fading.
At this point, even among American Jews (especially millenials and below), Palestinians are more pitied than they are feared. Again, a good thing.
If the Palestinians are serious about their resistance efforts, they're going to need to stage nonviolent demonstrations 10 times this size on a regular basis. They will lose many of their own, and it will take enormous discipline on their part to maintain unity and cohesion while being gunned down by Israeli soldiers.
The model that the Palestinians should follow is one that was first innovated by the Moroccans in the early 1970s, known as the Green March.
Green March - Wikipedia
The Moroccans wanted to reclaim what was then known as the Spanish Sahara from its Spanish colonizers. So they massed 350,000 Moroccan citizens on the border, marched them across, and dared the Spanish soldiers to shoot unarmed demonstrators. The Spanish soldiers couldn't bring themselves to fire on the Moroccans, and the territory was returned to Moroccan control.
Believe it or not, no matter how much hate a soldier might have in his heart, it is extremely tough to pull the trigger and take the life of an elderly man barely able to shuffle his feet, or a pregnant woman, or a child running circles around his extended family. Soldiers are trained to kill other soldiers, and can do that without hesitation - but when facing civilians, their discipline starts to break down as natural human instincts begin to kick in.
The goal with large-scale, peaceful demonstrations and attempts to break through the wall is to demoralize the Israeli military by forcing their soldiers to kill innocent civilians. A really intelligent leader of such demonstrations would be sure to put the elderly and disabled in the front line of the demonstration, and have them be the first to take pickaxes and crowbars to the wall.
Can you imagine the blowback if there's clear video of an elderly man with cancer barely able to get out of his wheelchair, taking a pickax to a concrete wall and is then killed by an Israeli soldier?
Especially if he was beloved by his community, a guy known for charitable works or tutoring children or maintaining a community garden before he became ill?
Imagine the media firestorm that would ensue...interviews with the kids he tutored
, interviews with his elderly wife surrounded by tearful family members , photos of him when he could still walk tending to his garden a story about the birds who would come to his garden to snack on his tomato seeds and how he had names for all of them ...this is how you humanize a people's struggle.If the Palestinians are able to do this repeatedly, they'll eventually end up breaking through. Remember that IDF soldiers are all drafted - many want nothing to do with killing innocents, and all it takes is for one unit's morale to break down under the pressure of commands from superior officers to fire and their own individual consciences for the Palestinians to win a victory.
Even more important than the first breakthrough is how the Palestinians treat the soldiers who they'll most likely overrun. They can't kill them. They have to instead be celebrated, their pictures distributed across media outlets, be lauded for their moral courage, etc. There can be zero violence against Israeli soldiers if the Palestinians want to win - because the minute they decide to (rightfully) string up, castrate, torture, and execute occupation soldiers, they'll engender a massive internal reaction from all remaining Israeli soldiers - they'll no longer see the Palestinian protesters as a pitiable people who God would never forgive them for killing, but instead as a genuine threat that must be eliminated.
For the Palestinian resistance to be successful, they're going to have to dare the Israelis to exterminate them.
The Israelis lack the internal cohesion to do so - the one thing that has kept Israel from exploding politically in the past 30-40 years is the threat of Palestinian (and broader Arab/Muslim) violence. Remove that threat, and the internal factions within Israel will consume themselves with infighting, intrigue and dissension.As the Israeli population becomes more averse to taking military casualties (lower birthrates mean each child of a family is more valuable, and nobody wants to lose their only son to a stupid war
), the Palestinian advantage with this approach only continues to grow. They can win this, they really can. They just have to stay disciplined.
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ejthompson23
Vagabon
Or Palestinians can go across he river to Jordan where they form a 70% majorityBelieve it or not, this is a good thing.
Hear me out.
The Palestinians face the same dilemma that every conquered people have throughout history: to either acquiesce to their conquerors or resist.
They've chosen resistance, which is 100% their right and which I support. All people have the right to pursue self-determination - but ultimately, they must earn their freedom.
Their conquerors are now unquestionably technologically and organizationally superior. So any violent resistance efforts undertaken by the Palestinians at this point will be pretty rapidly neutralized, and ultimately ineffective. In the 50s, 60s, and into the mid-70s, although the Israelis still had the advantage technologically, the Palestinians enjoyed the support of the Soviet Union and other Arab states in terms of armament, financial lifelines, etc. - making violent resistance a potentially effective approach to resistance.
What the Palestinians have now is a rapidly growing population (compared to Israel's barely-growing IDF-eligible population due to depressed birthrates among non-Hasidic Jews), and an improved perception among citizens in the most powerful countries in the world. The Israeli border wall has reduced suicide bomb attacks on public buses, restaurants, etc. to near zero, and memories of the 1970s executions of Israeli Olympic athletes are rapidly fading.
At this point, even among American Jews (especially millenials and below), Palestinians are more pitied than they are feared. Again, a good thing.
If the Palestinians are serious about their resistance efforts, they're going to need to stage nonviolent demonstrations 10 times this size on a regular basis. They will lose many of their own, and it will take enormous discipline on their part to maintain unity and cohesion while being gunned down by Israeli soldiers.
The model that the Palestinians should follow is one that was first innovated by the Moroccans in the early 1970s, known as the Green March.
Green March - Wikipedia
The Moroccans wanted to reclaim what was then known as the Spanish Sahara from its Spanish colonizers. So they massed 350,000 Moroccan citizens on the border, marched them across, and dared the Spanish soldiers to shoot unarmed demonstrators. The Spanish soldiers couldn't bring themselves to fire on the Moroccans, and the territory was returned to Moroccan control.
Believe it or not, no matter how much hate a soldier might have in his heart, it is extremely tough to pull the trigger and take the life of an elderly man barely able to shuffle his feet, or a pregnant woman, or a child running circles around his extended family. Soldiers are trained to kill other soldiers, and can do that without hesitation - but when facing civilians, their discipline starts to break down as natural human instincts begin to kick in.
The goal with large-scale, peaceful demonstrations and attempts to break through the wall is to demoralize the Israeli military by forcing their soldiers to kill innocent civilians. A really intelligent leader of such demonstrations would be sure to put the elderly and disabled in the front line of the demonstration, and have them be the first to take pickaxes and crowbars to the wall.
If the Palestinians are able to do this repeatedly, they'll eventually end up breaking through. Remember that IDF soldiers are all drafted - many want nothing to do with killing innocents, and all it takes is for one unit's morale to break down under the pressure of commands from superior officers to fire and their own individual consciences for the Palestinians to win a victory.
Even more important than the first breakthrough is how the Palestinians treat the soldiers who they'll most likely overrun. They can't kill them. They have to instead be celebrated, their pictures distributed across media outlets, be lauded for their moral courage, etc. There can be zero violence against Israeli soldiers if the Palestinians want to win - because the minute they decide to (rightfully) string up, castrate, torture, and execute occupation soldiers, they'll engender a massive internal reaction from all remaining Israeli soldiers - they'll no longer see the Palestinian protesters as a pitiable people who God would never forgive them for killing, but instead as a genuine threat that must be eliminated.
For the Palestinian resistance to be successful, they're going to have to dare the Israelis to exterminate them.
As the Israeli population becomes more averse to taking military casualties (lower birthrates mean each child of a family is more valuable, and nobody wants to lose their only son to a stupid war
They can win this, they really can. They just have to stay disciplined.
DirtyD
Last Time That I Checc'd......
All your points are bullshyt and unrelated to the realities on the ground...Israel is simply not gonna sit back and have millions of people overrun its borders and do nothing
The reality on the ground is that Israel is involved in an illegal blockade on Gaza and continuously approve illegal settlements to expand their own borders and displace Palestinian, making your moronic border argument null and void.
The government of Egypt is not using money given to it by the United States to indiscriminately murder Sudanese refugees, numerous people have criticized the governments of the United States and other European nations for not providing aid to these refugees. Finally, you don't care about African refugees or you would also acknowledge Israel's extremely despicable record of dealing with them.
panopticon
Superstar
That's their choice. They've chosen resistance. Whether or not its successful is up to them. But it's their choice.Or Palestinians can go across he river to Jordan where they form a 70% majority
ejthompson23
Vagabon
The UN ruled that the blockade is legal, I’ll take their word over yours...you clearly don’t care about African lives you’re dismissing Egypt’s blatant murder of the Sudanese because they don’t get money from the US...in fact Egypt gets millions of dollars in military aid a year so yes they’re using your tax money to kill Sudanese refugees...but you’re giving them a pass...Israel’s treatment of them is the least worst option
Egypt downright kill them at the border...Libya sell them as slaves...you’re gonna cop pleas as usual a c00n never change it’s spots I guess...
ejthompson23
Vagabon
Conquered land don’t get returnedThat's their choice. They've chosen resistance. Whether or not its successful is up to them. But it's their choice.
if that’s the case, turks need to go back to Central Asia and return Anatolia to Greece, which was a Greek colony for 4000 years...arabs back to yemen and out of North Africa and Egypt ...USA would be cleared of cacs and handed over to 3 million Indians...
DirtyD
Last Time That I Checc'd......
The UN ruled that the blockade is legal, I’ll take their word over yours...you clearly don’t care about African lives you’re dismissing Egypt’s blatant murder of the Sudanese because they don’t get money from the US...in fact Egypt gets millions of dollars in military aid a year so yes they’re using your tax money to kill Sudanese refugees...but you’re giving them a pass...Israel’s treatment of them is the least worst option
No one is giving Egypt a pass there are numerous organizations which criticize it stop trying to change the focus, Egypt isn't receiving anywhere near as much money as Israel. The United States has veto power in the security council and a lot of sway in the U.N. so obviously, they shouldn't be trusted in these matters. Also, the United States is subsidizing settlements, it is not explicitly doing the same with the execution of Sudanese refugees no matter how many times you try to use your stupid ass analogies.
Also lmao at someone who excuses the over-policing of black communities calling anyone a c00n, shut the fukk up you bootlicking yes a boss.
They can protest peacefully in their own countrymoment you tried to cross my borders you’re an illegal immigrant...Egypt shoot black Sudanese refugees at the border running from genocide and nikkas never say shyt
Believe it or not, this is a good thing.
Hear me out.
The Palestinians face the same dilemma that every conquered people have throughout history: to either acquiesce to their conquerors or resist.
They've chosen resistance, which is 100% their right and which I support. All people have the right to pursue self-determination - but ultimately, they must earn their freedom.
Their conquerors are now unquestionably technologically and organizationally superior. So any violent resistance efforts undertaken by the Palestinians at this point will be pretty rapidly neutralized, and ultimately ineffective. In the 50s, 60s, and into the mid-70s, although the Israelis still had the advantage technologically, the Palestinians enjoyed the support of the Soviet Union and other Arab states in terms of armament, financial lifelines, etc. - making violent resistance a potentially effective approach to resistance.
What the Palestinians have now is a rapidly growing population (compared to Israel's barely-growing IDF-eligible population due to depressed birthrates among non-Hasidic Jews), and an improved perception among citizens in the most powerful countries in the world. The Israeli border wall has reduced suicide bomb attacks on public buses, restaurants, etc. to near zero, and memories of the 1970s executions of Israeli Olympic athletes are rapidly fading.
At this point, even among American Jews (especially millenials and below), Palestinians are more pitied than they are feared. Again, a good thing.
If the Palestinians are serious about their resistance efforts, they're going to need to stage nonviolent demonstrations 10 times this size on a regular basis. They will lose many of their own, and it will take enormous discipline on their part to maintain unity and cohesion while being gunned down by Israeli soldiers.
The model that the Palestinians should follow is one that was first innovated by the Moroccans in the early 1970s, known as the Green March.
Green March - Wikipedia
The Moroccans wanted to reclaim what was then known as the Spanish Sahara from its Spanish colonizers. So they massed 350,000 Moroccan citizens on the border, marched them across, and dared the Spanish soldiers to shoot unarmed demonstrators. The Spanish soldiers couldn't bring themselves to fire on the Moroccans, and the territory was returned to Moroccan control.
Believe it or not, no matter how much hate a soldier might have in his heart, it is extremely tough to pull the trigger and take the life of an elderly man barely able to shuffle his feet, or a pregnant woman, or a child running circles around his extended family. Soldiers are trained to kill other soldiers, and can do that without hesitation - but when facing civilians, their discipline starts to break down as natural human instincts begin to kick in.
The goal with large-scale, peaceful demonstrations and attempts to break through the wall is to demoralize the Israeli military by forcing their soldiers to kill innocent civilians. A really intelligent leader of such demonstrations would be sure to put the elderly and disabled in the front line of the demonstration, and have them be the first to take pickaxes and crowbars to the wall.
Can you imagine the blowback if there's clear video of an elderly man with cancer barely able to get out of his wheelchair, taking a pickax to a concrete wall and is then killed by an Israeli soldier?
Especially if he was beloved by his community, a guy known for charitable works or tutoring children or maintaining a community garden before he became ill?
Imagine the media firestorm that would ensue...interviews with the kids he tutored
If the Palestinians are able to do this repeatedly, they'll eventually end up breaking through. Remember that IDF soldiers are all drafted - many want nothing to do with killing innocents, and all it takes is for one unit's morale to break down under the pressure of commands from superior officers to fire and their own individual consciences for the Palestinians to win a victory.
Even more important than the first breakthrough is how the Palestinians treat the soldiers who they'll most likely overrun. They can't kill them. They have to instead be celebrated, their pictures distributed across media outlets, be lauded for their moral courage, etc. There can be zero violence against Israeli soldiers if the Palestinians want to win - because the minute they decide to (rightfully) string up, castrate, torture, and execute occupation soldiers, they'll engender a massive internal reaction from all remaining Israeli soldiers - they'll no longer see the Palestinian protesters as a pitiable people who God would never forgive them for killing, but instead as a genuine threat that must be eliminated.
For the Palestinian resistance to be successful, they're going to have to dare the Israelis to exterminate them.
As the Israeli population becomes more averse to taking military casualties (lower birthrates mean each child of a family is more valuable, and nobody wants to lose their only son to a stupid war
They can win this, they really can. They just have to stay disciplined.
You right, but the big thing is discipline. It takes a lot of internal work and strong leadership to maintain that discipline. So many of the major movements that succeeded in change had some real spiritual leadership and did a ton of ground work to make it happen. I want to see them make this happen but they're gonna need to get their act together and completely shut down the violence-promoting men.
ejthompson23
Vagabon
You excused Egypt’s killing of innocent refugees though
that’s some c00n fakkit shyt...I don’t excuse “over policing” whatever the fukk that means 
I said nikkas should smoke at home and not take weed with them knowing that they’ll get searched...avoid a useless ass stay in jail and wasted money for bail 
...Palestinians got a state in Jordan 
they should go there...the British mandate awarded all of the land to the Jews anyways 
they’re taking it easy on them as far as I’m concerned...
ejthompson23
Vagabon
All truth in My post