Is there a housing bubble?

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We really might be out here again 3 peat. crisis in 08, crisis in 20 and now 21 or 22 about to restore that 08 feeling :wow:


last time the market crashed was cuz banks were lending money in a very irresponsible way.

like u could get a mortgage, buy a crib with 0 dollars down, and get a loan for like 110% of the value and walk away with cash.

that shyt is NEVER happening today. housing prices might be inflated, but banks aren't lending money irresponsible and mortage rates are historically low.
 

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A bidding war broke out this winter at a new subdivision north of Houston. But the prize this time was the entire subdivision, not just a single suburban house, illustrating the rise of big investors as a potent new force in the U.S. housing market.

D.R. Horton Inc. built 124 houses in Conroe, Texas, rented them out and then put the whole community, Amber Pines at Fosters Ridge, on the block. A Who’s Who of investors and home-rental firms flocked to the December sale. The winning $32 million bid came from an online property-investing platform, Fundrise LLC, which manages more than $1 billion on behalf of about 150,000 individuals.

The country’s most prolific home builder booked roughly twice what it typically makes selling houses to the middle class—an encouraging debut in the business of selling entire neighborhoods to investors.

“We certainly wouldn’t expect every single-family community we sell to sell at a 50% gross margin,” the builder’s finance chief, Bill Wheat, said at a recent investor conference.

From individuals with smartphones and a few thousand dollars to pensions and private-equity firms with billions, yield-chasing investors are snapping up single-family houses to rent out or flip. They are competing for houses with ordinary Americans, who are armed with the cheapest mortgage financing ever, and driving up home prices.

“You now have permanent capital competing with a young couple trying to buy a house,” said John Burns, whose eponymous real estate consulting firm estimates that in many of the nation’s top markets, roughly one in every five houses sold is bought by someone who never moves in. “That’s going to make U.S. housing permanently more expensive,” he said.

The consulting firm found Houston to be a favorite haunt of investors who have lately accounted for 24% of home purchases there. Investors’ slice of the housing market grows—as it does in other boomtowns, such as Miami, Phoenix and Las Vegas—among properties priced below $300,000 and in decent school districts.

“Limited housing supply, low rates, a global reach for yield, and what we’re calling the institutionalization of real-estate investors has set the stage for another speculative investor-driven home price bubble,” the firm concluded.

The bubble has room to grow before it bursts, according to John Burns Real Estate Consulting. But it is inflating fast. The firm expects home prices to climb 12% this year—on top of last year’s 11% rise—and increase at least 6% in 2022, a period of appreciation reminiscent of 2004 and 2005.

That boom was different, fueled by loose lending that enabled individuals to speculate on home prices by racking up mortgages they could repay only if home prices kept climbing. The money party ended a few years later when home prices stopped rising. The ensuing crash wiped out $11 trillion in U.S. household wealth and brought the global financial system to the brink of collapse.


Financiers stepped in starting in 2011 and gobbled up foreclosed homes at steep discounts. They dispatched buyers to courthouse auctions with duffel bags of cash. Smartphones and tablet computers—new then—enabled them to orchestrate the land grab and manage tens of thousands of far-flung properties thereafter.


the last company I bought stock in is state street, which is one of the big investment services company that's currently buying up a shytload of real estate like crazy.
 

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This company below in my area has been buying up all the homes and trying to rent them out at $2000+ a month





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So check this out and check my earlier posts.

my wife and I has sold two homes to Zillow as is. (First was in Jackson, MS. Second was in Stone Mountain GA) And we literally close on one on the 9th. While pending the inspector informed us that th house isn’t worth the asking price and guess what? They didn’t care and went on with the sale even though it’s 50g less than what they wanted.

My wife learned that Zillow has been losing millions of dollars for the past few years because they haven’t earned a profit selling homes.
 

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My wife learned that Zillow has been losing millions of dollars for the past few years because they haven’t earned a profit selling homes.
Good.

I hope they fail and crash this entire inflated fake ass housing market with them :camby:

Psychopathic c*nts think they can game the system at cost of pricing hundreds of millions of people out of a home :camby:
 

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So check this out and check my earlier posts.

my wife and I has sold two homes to Zillow as is. (First was in Jackson, MS. Second was in Stone Mountain GA) And we literally close on one on the 9th. While pending the inspector informed us that th house isn’t worth the asking price and guess what? They didn’t care and went on with the sale even though it’s 50g less than what they wanted.

My wife learned that Zillow has been losing millions of dollars for the past few years because they haven’t earned a profit selling homes.

Best news I heard in months.
 

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Coli real estate agents and economy experts failed again :mjlol:


Yes and no. It has definitely been a sellers market because many companies have been purchasing homes for asking prices.

I assumed (a lot of us in here) corporations were gonna be selling homes at increases prices but (check the previous posts) that hasn’t been the case. I still think in many locations corporations will have a stronghold there but from my experience in MS and GA (Lithonia, Stone Mountain, and Stockbridge area) it hasn’t been the case so far
 

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I've been watching land lots and houses in my area. My search is pretty specific so usually there's not more than 5-10 properties at a time available. So, I remember most of them. Yet again, another property "sold" then appeared back on the market a few months later. The weird thing with this one was right when it listed as sold the sales price dropped 30% :patrice:, but it reappeared at the original price.

I've probably seen this happen now a dozen times over the past year. Yeah I know some sales fall through, but if this market is supposed to be that hot these properties should be disappearing and have backups. Someone on here also mentioned it could be the appraisals were too low.

Another property supposedly sold a couple months ago, but the for sale sign is still on the land lot.
 

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last time the market crashed was cuz banks were lending money in a very irresponsible way.

like u could get a mortgage, buy a crib with 0 dollars down, and get a loan for like 110% of the value and walk away with cash.

that shyt is NEVER happening today. housing prices might be inflated, but banks aren't lending money irresponsible and mortage rates are historically low.
This. And people are paying straight cash and shyt right now.
 

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No two bubbles are the same. And the cracks aren't exposed until macro pressures are heavy enough to explode.

Banks didn't lend like crazy to unqualified buyers this time. But with rates so low, Corporations borrowed like crazy and bought into housing. If enough are overleveraged, and people stop buying because rates and high prices have priced them out? There could potentially be a scenario where investors are upside down. There's also the commercial real estate market which hasn't recovered. If a recession hits? Housing is exposed to those shocks. I'm not predicting anything either.
 
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