Is the whole illegal immigrants thing just crabs in a bucket?

[Rekkapryde]

How is it felt? A lot of there people are even paying taxes into the system.

Not paying income tax def helps

 

[Uachet]

And we were at one point but we got the Roosevelt breaking monopolies and the New Deal which started implementing those things. But after Milton's push for corporate greed, Reagan's economic plan, NAFTA, and now DOGE messing around with SSI; the scales are so unbalanced that it isn't even funny. We need are going to need a push to the left further than what the New Deal provided at the time, imo.

Yes, because people voted in those who liked the idea of Adam Smith's form of Captitalism for all, but subsidies for themselves among the Oligarchy and Corporations. Which they were also able to convince the large bulk of White people, the main population in the country, to support under the guise of prosperity and for some harming those they did not like. Also, add in the fact that both parties supported NAFTA with the Neo-Liberalism leading the charge on the party of Roosevelt, under Clinton...

"Bill Clinton Did More to Sell Neoliberalism than Milton Friedman"​

"A brief history of how the Democratic Party’s turn to market capitalism wrecked everything."​

Bill Clinton Did More to Sell Neoliberalism than Milton Friedman

A brief history of how the Democratic Party's turn to market capitalism wrecked everything.

inthesetimes.com

Remember, Clinton signed NAFTA into law on December 8, 1993

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/08/clinton-signs-nafta-into-law-dec-8-1993-1040789

Then you add in the fact that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Citizens United in 2010

Citizens United Explained

The 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted political influence toward wealthy donors and corporations.

www.brennancenter.org

Ending up with a Two-Party system that has both parties controlled by corporations and Oligarchs is what changed the nature of capitalism in the US and opening the door to a figure like Trump who claims that he would fix the problems and drain the swamp, but really he is just beholden to foreign Banks and corporations himself, seeking to take advantage of the circumstances for his own benefit.

So again, while captialism is a part of the problem, it is not the totality of the problem. The problem really is the inherent ignorance, hatred, and greed of people that is easily exploited by the few who have the resources to do such. So over time they have gained more and more power, and that gain has been happening under the nose of both parties, aided by both parties, and now here we are.

Oligarchy in the open: What happens now as the U.S. is forced to confront its plutocracy problem?​

"As case studies, they used 1,800 policy proposals over 30 years, tracking how they made their way through the political system and whose interests were served by the outcomes. For small-d democrats, the results were devastating. Political outcomes overwhelmingly favored very wealthy people, corporations, and business groups. The influence of ordinary citizens, meanwhile, was at a “non-significant, near-zero level.” America, they concluded, was not a democracy at all, but a functional oligarchy. "

Oligarchy in the open: What happens now as the U.S. is forced to confront its plutocracy problem?

Professors Archon Fung of Harvard Kennedy School and Lawrence Lessig of Harvard Law School say Trump’s brazen embrace of billionaire ruling partners could be an inflection point in America’s long slide toward rule by the wealthiest.

www.hks.harvard.edu

 

[JT-Money]

Yes, because people voted in those who liked the idea of Adam Smith's form of Captitalism for all, but subsidies for themselves among the Oligarchy and Corporations. Which they were also able to convince the large bulk of White people, the main population in the country, to support under the guise of prosperity and for some harming those they did not like. Also, add in the fact that both parties supported NAFTA with the Neo-Liberalism leading the charge on the party of Roosevelt, under Clinton...

"Bill Clinton Did More to Sell Neoliberalism than Milton Friedman"​

"A brief history of how the Democratic Party’s turn to market capitalism wrecked everything."​

Remember, Clinton signed NAFTA into law on December 8, 1993



Then you add in the fact that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Citizens United in 2010



Ending up with a Two-Party system that has both parties controlled by corporations and Oligarchs is what changed the nature of capitalism in the US and opening the door to a figure like Trump who claims that he would fix the problems and drain the swamp, but really he is just beholden to foreign Banks and corporations himself, seeking to take advantage of the circumstances for his own benefit.

So again, while captialism is a part of the problem, it is not the totality of the problem. The problem really is the inherent ignorance, hatred, and greed of people that is easily exploited by the few who have the resources to do such. So over time they have gained more and more power, and that gain has been happening under the nose of both parties, aided by both parties, and now here we are.

Oligarchy in the open: What happens now as the U.S. is forced to confront its plutocracy problem?​

"As case studies, they used 1,800 policy proposals over 30 years, tracking how they made their way through the political system and whose interests were served by the outcomes. For small-d democrats, the results were devastating. Political outcomes overwhelmingly favored very wealthy people, corporations, and business groups. The influence of ordinary citizens, meanwhile, was at a “non-significant, near-zero level.” America, they concluded, was not a democracy at all, but a functional oligarchy. "

Gospel.

 

[UpNext]

Playing right into the hands of rich cacs and the Republican party. Just look at some of the cats in this thread. They can't even see how they're getting played, even going as far as to post far right sources to back up their claims.

You're talking about the same rich cacs that exploit the current illegal immigration system to fatten their pockets with a cheaper and more controllable workforce that won't demand better pay and working conditions?

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Yes, because people voted in those who liked the idea of Adam Smith's form of Captitalism for all, but subsidies for themselves among the Oligarchy and Corporations. Which they were also able to convince the large bulk of White people, the main population in the country, to support under the guise of prosperity and for some harming those they did not like. Also, add in the fact that both parties supported NAFTA with the Neo-Liberalism leading the charge on the party of Roosevelt, under Clinton...

"Bill Clinton Did More to Sell Neoliberalism than Milton Friedman"​

"A brief history of how the Democratic Party’s turn to market capitalism wrecked everything."​

Remember, Clinton signed NAFTA into law on December 8, 1993



Then you add in the fact that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Citizens United in 2010



Ending up with a Two-Party system that has both parties controlled by corporations and Oligarchs is what changed the nature of capitalism in the US and opening the door to a figure like Trump who claims that he would fix the problems and drain the swamp, but really he is just beholden to foreign Banks and corporations himself, seeking to take advantage of the circumstances for his own benefit.

So again, while captialism is a part of the problem, it is not the totality of the problem. The problem really is the inherent ignorance, hatred, and greed of people that is easily exploited by the few who have the resources to do such. So over time they have gained more and more power, and that gain has been happening under the nose of both parties, aided by both parties, and now here we are.

Oligarchy in the open: What happens now as the U.S. is forced to confront its plutocracy problem?​

"As case studies, they used 1,800 policy proposals over 30 years, tracking how they made their way through the political system and whose interests were served by the outcomes. For small-d democrats, the results were devastating. Political outcomes overwhelmingly favored very wealthy people, corporations, and business groups. The influence of ordinary citizens, meanwhile, was at a “non-significant, near-zero level.” America, they concluded, was not a democracy at all, but a functional oligarchy. "

I agree with a lot of what you stated but I place more blame on capitalism. Getting rid of neo liberalism would be a step in the right direction

 

[Uachet]

I agree with a lot of what you stated but I place more blame on capitalism. Getting rid of neo liberalism would be a step in the right direction

You will never get rid of capitalism, unless mankind itself rebelled against it. Since that is not happening, making it the main problem only makes it a problem with an impossible to enact solution. It is better to push back towards making the US a more mixed economy, with two political parties that really are opposites of each other, and with the removal of allowing money to be considered free speech. Those are possible, if the American people finally wake up and start voting 3rd party more, making those parties who actually support their issues more relevant in elections. It may also have the silverlining of maybe forcing the bulk of the American people to see what sort of game the Two-Party system is actually playing.

If the American people can see that both parties are bought and paid for by the Oligarchy, then some change can really happen. That would require people to see what the problem is in unison, and I personally doubt that will happen in my lifetime. Something cataclysmic would have to happen I think, to force that change. Maybe, just maybe, A.I. will be the catalyst that forces the change.

 

[Uachet]

You're talking about the same rich cacs that exploit the current illegal immigration system to fatten their pockets with a cheaper and more controllable workforce that won't demand better pay and working conditions?

I am not sure he fully understands what you are implying since he supports illegal immigration, which plays into the hands of those same rich who exploit illegal immigration to depress the wages of low to no-skilled workers in the US. Which also happens to harm, as stated in a Congressional Civil Rights report, 6 out of 10 Black American males. Though, I do admit he has stated in so many words that he does not care about how it harms Black Americans.

 

[Turtle]

They can spend billions on war, weapons of death, and killing foreigners and not a peep from many of the masses but if an illegal immigrant comes over here and likely takes a dirty job doing shit Americans don't want to do people are raising hell.

I don't really get the vitriol to illegal immigrants. I'm unbothered by them.

Yeah man, it’s rich white people telling us “that guy” wants to steal our cookie.

Most of those people just tryna grind and make bread like the rest of us.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

How is it felt? A lot of there people are even paying taxes into the system.

FOH! It costs billions to provide healthcare to them and their 5 children, public schools costs, and if they're undocumented how are they filing their taxes if they're undocumented?

Legal immigration is the way to go. Phuk the bullshyt. Peep videos from Obama, Hilary, and Bill before they allowed the open border crowd of the left took over.

 

[Born2BKing]

FOH! It costs billions to provide healthcare to them and their 5 children, public schools costs, and if they're undocumented how are they filing their taxes if they're undocumented?

Legal immigration is the way to go. Phuk the bullshyt. Peep videos from Obama, Hilary, and Bill before they allowed the open border crowd of the left took over.

Yours truly,
Fox News

 

[feelosofer]

I will say this. Depending on where you are at. Immigrants can be a bigger issue than else where. With that said this is just a smokescreen to distract the fact that wealthy whites won't really enact any meaningful immigration policies because they rely on them for labor and let's be reality no one is willing to pay higher prices to pay American wages and benefit and companies are not sacrificing their profits.

 

[DrBanneker]

Edit2: Oh, and you want to know how far this goes back before Trump? Well does not matter, going to show you anyway.

 

[CrimsonTider]

How is it felt? A lot of there people are even paying taxes into the system.

How do you pay federal taxes without a SSN?

How can the amount of sales tax someone pays be verified?

This is

 

[Uachet]

Yes, that is the same sister whose study I cited right in this thread. Thanks for posting this up!

 

[Strapped]

Dog whistling