Is the whole illegal immigrants thing just crabs in a bucket?

[ALonelyDad]

Here is the problem. No one said it is a main problem, nor did anyone say it was the most important problem. What people are saying is that it is a problem, and I am personally saying it has been a problem discussed in certain circles of the Black community for far longer than Trump has been in power.

So, while Trump and his cronies are the main problem at the moment, that does not negate the data that has shown that illegal immigration is a problem for a large portion of the Black community economically and socially.

I also do not support this idea that we must come to the rescue for a group that has shown over and over again their disdain for us. At the end of the day, every group that is non-Black American view Black Americans as the lesser in some form or another. They also will pursue the interests of their ethnicity over ours, so I will do the same for my people.

The media and conservatives have definitely made it that. You don't have to directly support someone to not empathize and understand what is going on.

For the 2nd part, you can also put this on the same corporations and rich trying to demonize them because they are the ones hiring them in the first place. They want to cut costs, get crazy cheap labor whether its in this country or trying to outsource (which is also a problem). I don't disagree that it is impacting every day Americans. But the conversation needed is about those at the top. Every year there is a story about factories even here in America having children as employees or illegals. The farms, other corporations, Donald Trumps clothing line, all of it.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Yall c00ns in here make me sick. Just ftr, nothing to add.

@Uachet holding it down as per usual.

 

[Uachet]

The media and conservatives have definitely made it that. You don't have to directly support someone to not empathize and understand what is going on.

For the 2nd part, you can also put this on the same corporations and rich trying to demonize them because they are the ones hiring them in the first place. They want to cut costs, get crazy cheap labor whether its in this country or trying to outsource (which is also a problem). I don't disagree that it is impacting every day Americans. But the conversation needed is about those at the top. Every year there is a story about factories even here in America having children as employees or illegals. The farms, other corporations, Donald Trumps clothing line, all of it.

Yes, but neither party is trying to fix that. In fact, the liberals were letting them through the gate, making sanctuary cities, and turning a blind eye to those same corporations hiring them. So you can't make this just a conservative problem, because the liberals were contributing to the problem too. Since neither party were doing anything about the rich, and neither party were really doing much about fixing the border, then both parties are complicit.

Also, even with both parties being complicit, and corporations hiring them, none of that changes their racism towards us. Why, should Black Americans have empathy for a people who do not have empathy for us? They don't even like themselves, with their desires to better their race by marrying and reproducing with white people. They also mistreat Black people in their own countries they come from. Please, tell me why must my people have empathy for enemies?

 

[ALonelyDad]

Yes, but neither party is trying to fix that. In fact, the liberals were letting them through the gate, making sanctuary cities, and turning a blind eye to those same corporations hiring them. So you can't make this just a conservative problem, because the liberals were contributing to the problem too. Since neither party were doing anything about the rich, and neither party were really doing much about fixing the border, then both parties are complicit.

Also, even with both parties being complicit, and corporations hiring them, none of that changes their racism towards us. Why, should Black Americans have empathy for a people who do not have empathy for us? They don't even like themselves, with their desires to better their race by marrying and reproducing with white people. They also mistreat Black people in their own countries they come from. Please, tell me why must my people have empathy for enemies?

Obama set all time numbers when it came to deportations, Biden's numbers passed Trumps 1st run. This thing where democrats are not doing anything about it is great propaganda pushed by conservative and media but far from the truth. The only difference is conservatives do a good job at show and tell, the Trump wall, now he has white house recording them by putting them on the plane, screaming they are all rapists, etc.

I don't care if someone doesn't like me but I am not going to support inhumanity like sending everyone to a El Salvador prison, or denying 10 year old girls with cancer. Throughout history, we know how this works, first its them then its next. Not trusting a white supremacist leadership to do right by us. No one is asking to go protest for immigrants.

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record

President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.

www.bbc.com

 

[Plankton]

You Base your political view on viral Stories

I base my view on the immigrant influx in NYC on the fact that I live in NYC and have dealt with it's impact. That was literally the first thing I said in this thread yet you still asking silly questions.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

Hol up breh.

Are you telling me these dudes in here are relying on Project 2025 authors ??


Jeezus Christ.

nikkas believe Project 2025 authors explaining what will help the black community now

You fukking see it. I'm tellin you these wannabe cac "FBA" negropean black folks "sick of illegal immigrants" are simply the dumbasses among us falling for white power conservative media okie doke. The same conservatives eliminating our rights one by one will come down these retards ears about "illegal immigrants tekkin ur jerb" and that's all it takes to get them in line and misdirection their anger at the dumbest shyt.

We cooked yall.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

Obama set all time numbers when it came to deportations, Biden's numbers passed Trumps 1st run. This thing where democrats are not doing anything about it is great propaganda pushed by conservative and media but far from the truth. The only difference is conservatives do a good job at show and tell, the Trump wall, now he has white house recording them by putting them on the plane, screaming they are all rapists, etc.

I don't care if someone doesn't like me but I am not going to support inhumanity like sending everyone to a El Salvador prison, or denying 10 year old girls with cancer. Throughout history, we know how this works, first its them then its next. Not trusting a white supremacist leadership to do right by us. No one is asking to go protest for immigrants.

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record

President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.

www.bbc.com

Bro these short sighted, mouth breathing smart phone militants just won't get it until it's too late. Just begging the white man to turn our cities and communities into right wing fascist hellholes because some "muh people! Other black people hurt us more than white supremacists!" Fake ass negropean intellect.

@Uachet all up in this thread posting a mountain of anti-immigrant right wing slop as usual. As if every labor statistic for the past fukking almost 15 years hasn't shown a thriving economy creating tens of thousands of jobs every month, record unemployment across the board, and hundreds of thousands of jobs unfilled. What an idiot. No one is keeping us from getting jobs except the same right wing fascists he gets his cues from, working overtime to have laws requiring diverse employment eliminated right to his face.

But like a typical "fba ados" smartphone militant he's a coward who's scared, if not passively looking for the validation, of white supremacists. He rather occupy his time looking for easy pretend enemies in latinos, white liberals, Democrats, Kamala Harris, Caribbeans, Africans, gay and trans people, and other every other useless distraction under the sun while the white supremacists he takes his shallow cues from piss directly in his and our childrens faces.

got the nerve to question anyone "not mad at latinos for voting Trump" as he spends an entire thread looking for any reason to be more upset at a peniless immigrant mopping a floor than actual white nationalists calling us "DEI" while trying to LEGALLY curb us from professional careers. Actual damn power over our lives.

The Trump admin can reinstate slave labor and this nicca will still be explaining to you how "immigrants hurt my people more" like a p*ssy. Tired of you fake militant negropean acronym Americans trying to conflate right wing White supremacist nationalism with the interest of black people.

Today any Latino with a tattoo is being rounded up and treated like a terrorist criminal. Tomorrow they will be setting the stage to do the same to anyone protesting Tesla as a "terrorist. It won't be long before another political movement involving race relations got those same ICE agents the nikka wants all up in our neighborhoods getting rid of the illegal immigrants turning the guns, vans, and cuffs on us simply for protesting racism.

These passive black Trump supporters are just the dumbest wannabe intellects among us.

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

The fact that there are people on this defending illegal immigration and its negative effects is truly deluded. And people wonder why I say thecoli is out of touch. These are the people that usually vote for the Democrats... No wonder they lost the election.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Obama set all time numbers when it came to deportations, Biden's numbers passed Trumps 1st run. This thing where democrats are not doing anything about it is great propaganda pushed by conservative and media but far from the truth. The only difference is conservatives do a good job at show and tell, the Trump wall, now he has white house recording them by putting them on the plane, screaming they are all rapists, etc.

I don't care if someone doesn't like me but I am not going to support inhumanity like sending everyone to a El Salvador prison, or denying 10 year old girls with cancer. Throughout history, we know how this works, first its them then its next. Not trusting a white supremacist leadership to do right by us. No one is asking to go protest for immigrants.

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record

President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.

www.bbc.com

Biden reversed course

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

I know about Adam Smith, I am an Economist myself. Also, you missed something in my explaination that I gave you. The US is not a pure Market Economy (Capitalism), but mixed economy. If we were a pure economy, we would not have Social Security, Welfare, Subsidies, etc. So, what Adam Smith states about a pure market economy does not hold for the US.

And we were at one point but we got the Roosevelt breaking monopolies and the New Deal which started implementing those things. But after Milton's push for corporate greed, Reagan's economic plan, NAFTA, and now DOGE messing around with SSI; the scales are so unbalanced that it isn't even funny. We need are going to need a push to the left further than what the New Deal provided at the time, imo.

 

[Uachet]

Obama set all time numbers when it came to deportations, Biden's numbers passed Trumps 1st run. This thing where democrats are not doing anything about it is great propaganda pushed by conservative and media but far from the truth. The only difference is conservatives do a good job at show and tell, the Trump wall, now he has white house recording them by putting them on the plane, screaming they are all rapists, etc.

I don't care if someone doesn't like me but I am not going to support inhumanity like sending everyone to a El Salvador prison, or denying 10 year old girls with cancer. Throughout history, we know how this works, first its them then its next. Not trusting a white supremacist leadership to do right by us. No one is asking to go protest for immigrants.

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record

President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.

www.bbc.com

He did that 2024, so the fiscal year of the election.

"Before that, Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico."

How many migrants have crossed the US border illegally?

As Kamala Harris visits the border, BBC Verify assesses a Trump claim about the Biden administration's immigation record.

www.bbc.com

Right in your own link to the BBC, they state Biden ramped up deportations in 2024, and the number of deportations was 271,000. So compare 10 million in vs 271,000 he let in far more than he deported. Using him deporting more than Trump right before the election in 2024 compared to 2019 deportations seems very disingenous, when you consider he let in far more than that from 2021 to 2023.

"More than 271,000 immigrants were deported from the US over the last fiscal year, according to a report released by the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency on Thursday."

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record

President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.

www.bbc.com

That above is your own link. So no, both parties are complicit if they are letting in 8 million illegally from the southwest border and are only deporting 271,000. Doing the math on that, that shows more than 29.52 times the amount came in than were deported out from below the border.

On to the last point, we are not talking about what Trump is doing to them. We are talking about supporting them coming here illegally. Why should Black Americans support them coming here illegally, when they are racist towards us. You are trying to use very particular situations and even just this time period of Trump being in office, to cartblanche support them when the disscussion about their illegal numbers have been going on long before Trump was ever even the president the first time.

So I ask again, why should Black Americans support them coming here illegally in mass, when they harm many of our people economically and are also bringing their brand of racism and anti-blackness behavior with them? I am not talking about some single girl with cancer, or about Trump sending them back to a country that places the gang members in prisons. I am talking about the masses of them coming across the border, which was 8 millioin from 2021 - 2023.

Edit: Fixed an error of not having Southwest border added.

 

[MoshpitMazi]

Borders exist for a reason, but at the same time fr I dont care and I live in Texas, wish we had more black migrants though.

 

[Born2BKing]

When the economy and other things get tough, it is a guarantee that the public will look down on the lesser and try to shift blame to them rather than the corporations and the rich. And the rich have no problem fanning those flames cause it takes the blame off them.

Is there a fair conversation to have on immigration? Sure. But its far from a main problem.

Playing right into the hands of rich cacs and the Republican party. Just look at some of the cats in this thread. They can't even see how they're getting played, even going as far as to post far right sources to back up their claims.

 

[Damba]

They’re afraid of migrants doing what they did to the indigenous people of America.

 

[UnQuantized]

Illegal Immigration is a problem but the frenzy is going to backfire on the people who agree with the dehumanization of people and harsh solutions. This administration willl always have a convenient enemy, a buffer to absorb the real frustrations of citizens. When one problem is dealt with it will be another demographics turn.