Is the whole illegal immigrants thing just crabs in a bucket?
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Yup. The issue is capitalism. Plain and simple.
You are making an argument that does not counter the argument being made by the opponents of illegal immigrants in this thread. Your argument is how it will help the US Economy, our argument is how it harms Black Americans. Just because it is possible that they bring in a net positive to the GDP, which is still being debated by different think tanks, does not mean they are a benefit to the condition of my people. In fact, all of the data so far shows that they have a moderate to greater effect on the wages of Low to No skilled Black American workers.
So your point does not negate or even effectively argue against the point I have made. A net positive to the country while also a net negative to 6 out of 10 Black American males are not mutually exclusive. Add in the racism component to the mix, and it is no longer just an economic issue for Black Americans, but also a social issue of more racists being brought into the country.
Its funny that even if there *were* intersecting competition in the lower sectors, you ignore their overall impact economically as a whole, which if lost, has greater repercussions towards the foundation of the economic system we all exist within. Focusing on certain black americans but forgetting about the elderly that benefit from say... social security for example.
Now im not saying there shouldnt be better asylum procedures etc, but for this to be your main concern, leading you to be a #bothsider or vote for trump? No...
Yes, because I am concerned about their impact on my on ethnicity. Why should my main concern be how well the country does with their added input, when that input comes as a detriment to my own people along with an added sprinkle of overwhelming racism?
I have made clear since I first came here, that my order of importance is Family/Friends, People (Black Americans), other Black Ethnicities, all others. So where does the benefit to the overall US come in on my list, well look at that, it is after Black Americans.
If immigrants were hurting black people to this degree. This admin would be keeping them...
If most of our workforce is that low skilled and uneducated, then we should probably focus more on the legislation that actually attempts to reinforce that, and that isnt an immigration issue.
And is that a *black* issue. Or a *class* issue?
BS reply. This response demonstrate just how unserious you are, and how you will grab at any straw to make an asinine point. Especially when this administration is not even being discussed concerning this issue and this issue has been going on long before Trump ever was a President. So, you can't take Trump and use him a shield against an argument that has been going on long before Trump was even in a position of power.
Edit: This also demonstrates to me again, that you really could not give a damn about how this issue affects Black Americans.
Edit2: Oh, and you want to know how far this goes back before Trump? Well does not matter, going to show you anyway.
Flashback: Corretta Scott King warned illegals would take black jobs
"In a July 9, 1991, letter to Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, she and eight other civil rights and labor officials worried that businesses would look past low-wage minorities and hire even-lower wage illegals, increasing black and Hispanic unemployment."
Flashback: Corretta Scott King warned illegals would take black jobs - Washington Examiner
Corretta Scott King, wife of the slain civil rights leader, warned way back in 1991 that illegal immigration would rob jobs from poor blacks and Hispanics, echoing a new anti-immigration reform ad on national TV. In a July 9, 1991, letter to Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, she and eight other civil...www.washingtonexaminer.com
tremonthustler1
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Trump really thinks the way to keep Donald Jr. away from coke is to get rid of anyone crossing the border. It's like how when your toddler falls on a hard surface and all you wanna do is cover your whole hood in foam floor. Dumb and unrealistic, but if you could, you would.
the illegal immigrants that break off once they're in NYC, they don't go to Black neighborhoods unless they're tryna sell you candy or churros or fruit cups. They go where their neighborhoods already have their own so they can blend in and manage. They go to Queens, L.I., Brooklyn if they're Haitian. The ethnic group that's actually making inroads in black neighborhoods, at least here, are Middle Eastern people.
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The problem is capitalism. It functions with cheap labor and exploitation of the working class. There was a report done during the Trump administration that showed that uneducated immigrants was like a plus 35000 to the economy whereas an uneducated American was a negative 72000(my numbers might be off) due to immigrants paying into a system and receiving little to no benefits whereas it was the opposite for the native person. Take away the immigrant than those benefits quickly dry up.
The economic system needs to change first and foremost, and then we can look at the smaller things
Lol No, My argument is that right now, this misdirected focus reinforces the people like theorder66 or the tripleagents of the world to have some sort of excuse to double down on their ideas of either not voting, or becoming tricked into supporting a trump like figure. Of which aims to hurt our community directly and intentionally. Hence why Trump is relevent.
Immigration had more relevence before this lunacy occured. We could have these discussions.
I consider this admin and its growth to be an emergency, immigration was not by comparison, the admin is. So the nature of this to me...distracts negroes from the real issue, which is the *fukking* AIM this administration has by emphasizing illegals.
We are not talking about the small numbers of haitains. In fact, when we have been speaking about illegal immigrants, we have mainly been speaking about central and south americans, so those of the hispanic origins.
Notice how the undocumented population of Hispanics in 2019 is over 12.72 times the number of undocumented Black people? They make up the massive bulk of the illegals. If you add Asians, White, & Hispanic together (The trifacta of racism in the US) you get a 16.54 times the number of undocumented Black people. So when we are talking about more racists being brought into the country, we are not talking about Black people (since doing that would not even make sense, though there is some animosity between some black ethnicities too).
They’re getting deported… so any day now black prosperity should be arriving 
Lol yeah lets see what aims to hurt us more, the illegals or this admin.They’re getting deported… so any day now black prosperity should be arriving
It’s clearly the latter
If they don't want to vote, do you think you can shame them into doing it? If they don't vote, their votes don't count. They are not even in the tally numbers.
Also, you state they may be trick into becoming Trump supporters, like we were the ethicity that supported Trump a lot or would ever support him a lot. Let's be clear about this, my ethnicity voted against Trump at the highest rate of all US ethnicities. Also, while you are so worried about Black people on this issue, who did vote against Trump the most, you seem to have no concern about Hispanics who supported Trump at a significantly higher rate than my people did. Yet, you want us to support more of them coming here. That is absolutely amazing, and paradoxical.
So, your attempt to use this administration as a reason we should be supporting illegal immigrations makes no sense, because the last election and polls before the election showed that many of those people would still be supporting this administration if it only harmed people they do not like. My ethnicity, even knowing that policies made by the democrats on this issue of illegal immigration has harmed us, still voted against Trump.
So your position on this issue is unsubstantiated when considering the actual facts and past actions of my people.