Is the whole illegal immigrants thing just crabs in a bucket?

[Uachet]

All of these.
Not only have the Republican party convinced poor whites to vote for them despite the fact they(GOP) will take the resources they rely on to get by. The GOP some how convince black folks that the problem isn't the wealthy that are red lining, limiting funds, and taking away rights and resources, but that the problem is immigrants that are coming to take our jobs.

We are in late stage capitalism and we are trying to hold it together with tape.

BS. Black people see the problem is the wealthy. We also see that the illegals contribute to the problem too. See, you guys rarely have smoke for the people who come here, have racist views about us, and even cause harm to us once their numbers are up. You also don't have any smoke for the fact that hispanics voted for Trump at a far higher rate than my people. Yet, for some reason you always find some way to act like my people are clueless, being mislead by white people, even though we are the one major ethnicity that is always at the forefront in fighting them. Even though the very people you want us to support, have demonstrated that they will side with those same racist White people when given the chance.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

"• We estimate that 59 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants use one or more welfare programs, creating roughly $42 billion in costs. We also estimate that the children of illegal immigrants, who are mostly U.S.-born, cost public schools $68.1 billion.

• Illegal immigrants can receive welfare on behalf of U.S.-born children. Millions also have work authorization (e.g. DACA and asylum applicants), allowing receipt of the EITC. In addition, illegal immigrant children can directly use some programs like WIC.

• High welfare use is not caused by an unwillingness to work. In fact, illegal immigrantheaded households are more likely to have a worker present than U.S.-born households.

• Illegal immigrants do pay some taxes. We estimate they paid nearly $26 billion in income and payroll taxes in 2019.

• Illegal immigrants do add perhaps $321 billion to the nation’s GDP, but this is not a measure of their tax contributions or the benefits they create for the U.S.-born. Almost all the increase in economic activity goes to the illegal immigrants themselves in the form of wages."



What you are saying, and what was actually told to Congress are at odds with each other. What you are hearing as talking points given to you to support illegal immigration is not what Congress is actually receiving as the impact of Illegal Immigration. So, I will go with the experts on this issue who reported on this before the previous election.

You are literally quoting from a report by Steven Camarota who is the director of the right wing think tank Center for Immigration Studies

Center for Immigration Studies debunked

Since 1985, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) has served as the anti-immigrant movement’s go-to think tank. The organizaton publishes dozens of reports and hundreds of blog pieces each year that are cited by elected officials and the media. But its reports have been widely criticized and...

www.splcenter.org

Despite Trump's claims, data shows migrants aren’t taking jobs from Black or Hispanic people

Trump, who often uses anti-immigrant rhetoric, has referred during his campaign to immigrants he says are taking “Black jobs” and “Hispanic jobs.” But government data show immigrant labor contributes to economic growth and provides promotional opportunities for native-born workers.

www.pbs.org

 

[AngryBaby]

I want your position to be made crystal clear if you can. Am I correct in asserting that you do not care how any of this harms Black Americans, as long as it does not harm you in particular? Meaning, since you are fine, you will support it even if it causes problems for other Black Americans?

Well, I may be making a mistake in assuming you are a Black American. If you are not, then your position is perfectly fine with me. I do not expect non-Black Americans to care at all about Black Americans.

The method in which they chose to house migrants, in recent years mind you, isnt the same thing as the core idea and circumstance around immigration.

Most illegal immigrants, work, and pay billions into taxes and social security without recieving it. They fundamentally dont hurt our economy as a whole, and aren't competing with us in the same fields.

 

[ORDER_66]

BS. Black people see the problem is the wealthy. We also see that the illegals contribute to the problem too. See, you guys rarely have smoke for the people who come here, have racist views about us, and even cause harm to us once their numbers are up. You also don't have any smoke for the fact that hispanics voted for Trump at a far higher rate than my people. Yet, for some reason you always find some way to act like my people are clueless, being mislead by white people, even though we are the one major ethnicity that is always at the forefront in fighting them. Even though the very people you want us to support, have demonstrated that they will side with those same racist White people when given the chance.

Nah they not playing stupid it's only a problem when BLACK folks demand shyt specific only for us... then its a huge issue

 

[AngryBaby]

BS. Black people see the problem is the wealthy. We also see that the illegals contribute to the problem too. See, you guys rarely have smoke for the people who come here, have racist views about us, and even cause harm to us once their numbers are up. You also don't have any smoke for the fact that hispanics voted for Trump at a far higher rate than my people. Yet, for some reason you always find some way to act like my people are clueless, being mislead by white people, even though we are the one major ethnicity that is always at the forefront in fighting them. Even though the very people you want us to support, have demonstrated that they will side with those same racist White people when given the chance.

I'd say uneducated black people would blame an illegal before understanding that capitalism and the rich are fukking them. Most want to be "the rich" similar to their white counterparts. Its the same shyt.

 

[Uachet]

I'd say uneducated black people would blame an illegal before understanding that capitalism and the rich are fukking them. Most want to be "the rich" similar to their white counterparts. Its the same shyt.

How does that change the facts? The perception people have based on their education does not change what all of the reports to Congress have stated.

 

[Uachet]

The method in which they chose to house migrants, in recent years mind you, isnt the same thing as the core idea and circumstance around immigration.

Most illegal immigrants, work, and pay billions into taxes and social security without recieving it. They fundamentally dont hurt our economy as a whole, and aren't competing with us in the same fields.

We are talking about illegal immigration, so the core around immigration matters not to the issue. They are already not immigrating in a legal manner, yet resources are being taken from one community of citizens and given to ones that are not citizens nor are they even here legally.

Also, I have shown multiple reports that debunk your statements about competing with Black Americans. Reports mind you that were given directly to Congress. You can read them right in this thread, but I know you will not do that. You were given a narrative, and you will stick with it.

 

[the bossman]

You are literally quoting from a report by Steven Camarota who is the director of the right wing think tank Center for Immigration Studies

Hol up breh.

Are you telling me these dudes in here are relying on Project 2025 authors ??


Jeezus Christ.

nikkas believe Project 2025 authors explaining what will help the black community now

 

[TripleAgent]

Came back 3 pages later and unsurprisingly Dem shills and/or tethers ignoring the hammers @Uachet dropped on them

 

[Uachet]

Hol up breh.

Are you telling me these dudes in here are relying on Project 2025 authors ??


Jeezus Christ.

nikkas believe Project 2025 authors explaining what will help the black community now

You are literally quoting from a report by Steven Camarota who is the director of the right wing think tank Center for Immigration Studies

Center for Immigration Studies debunked

Since 1985, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) has served as the anti-immigrant movement’s go-to think tank. The organizaton publishes dozens of reports and hundreds of blog pieces each year that are cited by elected officials and the media. But its reports have been widely criticized and...

www.splcenter.org

Despite Trump's claims, data shows migrants aren’t taking jobs from Black or Hispanic people

Trump, who often uses anti-immigrant rhetoric, has referred during his campaign to immigrants he says are taking “Black jobs” and “Hispanic jobs.” But government data show immigrant labor contributes to economic growth and provides promotional opportunities for native-born workers.

www.pbs.org

Yes, his report aligns with the previous report that I posted from 2008 that discussed the direct problems Illegal Immigration has on Black Americans. Also, it aligns with the report written by a Vanderbilt Law and Political Science professor who also discussed the same. Just because you don't like the auther of something, does not mean the author is not telling the truth. That is why you use more than one source.

Though, I know guys like you ignore the truth, when it is spoken by someone you dislike.

Edit: Read the links. First, the SPLC was talking about an earlier report in 2017, not the report in 2024. If they do come up with one for that, then would be great if you put it up.

Center for Immigration Studies debunked​

Swathi Shanmugasundaram October 2, 2017

Center for Immigration Studies debunked

Since 1985, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) has served as the anti-immigrant movement’s go-to think tank. The organizaton publishes dozens of reports and hundreds of blog pieces each year that are cited by elected officials and the media. But its reports have been widely criticized and...

www.splcenter.org

So can't debunk a report 7 years before it was made.

Second, I was not talking about the Claims of Trump. I was talking about the claims made in reports to congress and a study done by a professor. So, trying to debunk what Trump says, means nothing considering what my points are supported by.

 

[Uachet]

Remember these reports, or do we ignore them too?

"New research by Carol Swain, professor of law and political science at Vanderbilt University, found that illegal immigration is hurting African Americans. And, according to Professor Swain, the Congressional Black Caucus is not addressing this issue.

In her essay in the newly released volume Debating Immigration, which Professor Swain edited, she said that African Americans are losing more jobs to illegal immigrants than to other racial or ethic groups, yet low income black workers don’t have political input in the debate.

“African Americans have been left devoid of a strong black voice in Congress on a topic that affects them deeply, given their high unemployment rates and historic struggle to get quality housing, health care, education and other goods and services,” writes Professor Swain."



The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers

A Briefing Before The United States Commission on Civil Rights Held in Washington, DC Briefing Report

"The United States Commission on Civil Rights (Commission) is pleased to transmit this report, The Impact ofIllegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers. A panel of experts briefed members of the Commission on April 4, 2008 regarding the evidence for economic loss and job opportunity costs to black workers attributable to illegal immigration. The panelists also described non-economic factors contributing to the depression of black wages and employment rates. Based on that discussion, the Commission developed the findings and recommendation that are included in this report.

Among its findings, the Commission notes that the illegal workers are estimated to account for as much as one-third of total immigrants in the United States, and that illegal immigration has tended to increase the supply of low-skilled, low-wage labor available. The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants. Evidence for negative effects of such competition ranged from modest to significant, according to the experts who testified, but even those experts who viewed the effects as modest overall found significant effects in occupations such as meatpacking and construction."



Again, I know those of you arguing for illegal immigration will not read any of this, but this is here for those who desire to know what is really being said about the issue in the Halls of Power, and not what the laymen are receiving from the media pundits.

The links are in the original post.

 

[Uachet]

Here is another study, done by

Effects of Immigration on African-American Employment and Incarceration​

"The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less."

lmost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence -- although no consensus -- that a rising tide of immigration is partly to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

Effects of Immigration on African-American Employment and Incarceration

www.nber.org

Why would a boost in immigration effectively put more men, especially black men, behind bars? The authors put forward a straightforward theory: immigration causes wages and employment to fall for black workers. When this happens, some of those workers -- especially those with the lowest skills -- turn to crime to increase their income. Certainly, the census data reveal a statistical link: as immigration began to increase, beginning in the 1980s, so did the institutionalization of low-skilled black men. While the Census Bureau defines institutions to include mental hospitals, the 1980 census -- and Justice Department data -- suggests that the majority of young men who were institutionalized were, in fact, in prison or in jail.

Just so you know, they are absolutely considered non-biased, and highly credible.

National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[Wild self]

And our supppsed station in society... If nothing else, this thread has opened my eyes to how brehs gravitated toward this shyt in the first place. But this haphazard crash course where whatever happens, happens and that's fine cause "I'm FBA" (and we're used to things getting worse) is outta pocket. I don't trust that kinda mindset posing as the arbiters my #Lineage

Shortcuts and easy money led us to this situation. SMH.

 

[Wild self]

It comes from the fear of immigrants doing to the white population here did to the natives, and the other non whites.

Immigrants are a net positive in gdp growth. They put money in the system but don't get the benefits. Without them we would be feeling the full effect of the lopsided tax system that skews to the wealthy

People think that once immigrants are gone, white people will gift blacks with cozy office jobs making 300k a year.

 

[Wild self]

Coli being anti-immigration when it comes to the US , and pro when it’s other countries is crazy.

Imperialist mindset.