First, so are you exposing that you are not from the US with this position about how people in the US should feel about illegal immigration?
Second, your sly attempt at trying to insult was useless, since I am a member of the upper middle class. I just know the actual stats and data on the bulk of the American population, especially my own ethnicity, and I understand that my position that I have obtained is not available to all of my people considering the hurdles we have to go through. So I have empathy for those in my own ethnicity who are not in the same socio-economic status that I am. Meaning, that I will always choose my own people over other groups, especially when those other groups are racist towards my people.
I was born and raised in Michigan. WTF are you talking about? I'm speaking as this hypothetical person that was allegedly born in the US and can't even fend off an illegal immigrant. That's a messed up future for someone like that because illegal immigrants are mostly left with highly undesirable jobs as they don't even have papers. They're mostly stuck doing thankless dangerous grunt work.
then you didn't get my post. What is the focus here? If it's for black people to do better in life and have more economic opportunities as a whole then immigrants have very little impact on that.
The second this administration took over they started wiping out hundreds of black people's govt jobs in the DMV. THAT is what has major impact on black people's livelihood today and for our children. Trump and his white supremacists did that. Not immigrants
The second this administration took over they have been focused on removing every avenue black people use to climb up the socioeconomic ladder. I'm talking even demonizing the concept of minority scholarships. Legally threatening companies that dare provide any type of assistance or special focus to black people or any other minority group. Trump and his white supremacists did that. Not immigrants
Wtf does any of that have to do with illegal immigrants? Nothing. Of all the threats going on right now. Today. Hundreds of black people today, right now, with mortgages and families to provide for are losing their careers due to white supremacists.
....But you worried bout some damn hombre's standing on the corner of the Home depot?
the way yall fell for this okie doke is astounding.
I was born and raised in Michigan. WTF are you talking about? I'm speaking as this hypothetical person that was allegedly born in the US and can't even fend off an illegal immigrant. That's a messed up future for someone like that because illegal immigrants are mostly left with highly undesirable jobs as they don't even have papers. They're mostly stuck doing thankless dangerous grunt work.
I mean if you were born in the United States of America and you can't fend off an illegal immigrant for a job your life outlook is very bleak. To be honest the kinds of jobs illegal immigrants are getting I don't want to begin with and find undesirable so I'm coming from that perspective. If I was born in the USA I'd want more for myself than that.
then you didn't get my post. What is the focus here? If it's for black people to do better in life and have more economic opportunities as a whole then immigrants have very little impact on that.
The second this administration took over they started wiping out hundreds of black people's govt jobs in the DMV. THAT is what has major impact on black people's livelihood today and for our children.
The second this administration took over they have been focused on removing every avenue black people use to climb up the socioeconomic ladder. I'm talking even demonizing the concept of minority scholarships. Legally threatening companies that dare provide any type of assistance or special focus to black people or any other minority group.
Wtf does any of that have to do with illegal immigrants? Nothing. Of all the threats going on right now. Today. Black people with mortgages and families to provide for are losing their careers due to white supremacists, but some yall worried bout some hombre's standing on the corner of the Home depot
You didn’t address anything in my post about them encroaching on black neighborhoods and how violent and racist they get once they have numbers. History has shown that immigrants from around the world that come to America use black people as stepping stones to assimilate here. Happened to Irish Italians etc they got accepted once they were looking down on bp and you think people who are black get to have the privilege and luxury in their own native countries? I have friends of all cultures they tell me in my face that their culture is inherently racist towards us so why would I want more potentially coming over illegally at that.
You didn’t address anything in my post about them encroaching on black neighborhoods and how violent and racist they get once they have numbers. History has shown that immigrants from around the world that come to America use black people as stepping stones to assimilate here. Happened to Irish Italians etc they got accepted once they were looking down on bp and you think people who are black get to have the privilege and luxury in their own native countries? I have friends of all cultures they tell me in my face that their culture is inherently racist towards us so why would I want more potentially coming over illegally at that.
what is there to legitimately respond to? you talk about encroaching or moving into black neighborhoods pushing black people out. If you REALLY want to understand who pushes black people out of black neighborhoods then I'll need you to go to look up what gentrification means. especially in black cities. and which group has played the biggest role in that.
then you bring up some make believe statistics about illegals killing black people like on some wide scale. Ingesting all that MAGA Nazi rhetoric has made you lose all type of common sense. No normal person will describe a group of people being an 'infestation'
what is there to legitimately respond to? you talk about encroaching or moving into black neighborhoods pushing black people out. If you REALLY want to understand who pushes black people out of black neighborhoods then I'll need you to go to look up what gentrification means. especially in black cities. and which group has played the biggest role in that.
then you bring up some make believe statistics about illegals killing black people like on some wide scale. Ingesting all that MAGA Nazi rhetoric has made you lose all type of common sense.
Bro I’m in La rn that’s a real thing out here and in Cali in general I go back and forth to the bay and it’s almost the same there so I’m not speaking from rhetoric I’m speaking from experience you can dismiss it all you want but this actual reality. White people are not overrunning hoods like that, not at the rate of illegal immigrants. I’m saying we already dealing with what we have now and you want more of the bs
Ok this is wrong and I’ll tell you why. When immigrants come here 9/10 they move into black neighborhoods and just slowly but surely infest the rest of the neighborhood in years and push the black residents out either through force or just how some of them live. Cops don’t live in primarily black neighborhoods. I’ll go even further to say that in areas where illegal immigrants have numbers kill more of our people than police officers do.
if you believe illegal immigrants are just being dropped off in these neighborhoods primarily, then you have to wonder why white people are so vehemently against this.
Mayor Adams was getting illegal immigrants by the busload and was putting them in white neighborhoods which is why white people were so angry. Black and legal brown people generally didn't care until Mayor Adams started using resources that were supposedly off limits to the community but somehow became available to migrants. There's areas in NYC where you can't tell who's legal and who's not and never could.
They can spend billions on war, weapons of death, and killing foreigners and not a peep from many of the masses but if an illegal immigrant comes over here and likely takes a dirty job doing shit Americans don't want to do people are raising hell.
I don't really get the vitriol to illegal immigrants. I'm unbothered by them.
The rise in crime specifically associated with the recent influx of illegal immigrants in NYC. Did you not see that viral story of the woman set on fire on the train? Go on and guess who did that.
Part of the reason we are here at Trump 2.0 as a country is because people can't see past their own perspective and empathize with others. It only figures that a country that lacks empathy would have the king of lacking empathy as it's president.
I'm convinced that at this point people will never get it or just don't WANT to get it. Its well known and documented that John Tanton spent decades astroturfing immigration. Meanwhile Trump is plugging "Gold cards" and H1-B visas. Maybe it'll finally click when people realize those jobs illegals did are meant to be filled by THEM.
I’m not out here trying to compete with undocumented immigrants, at the end of the day we all just trying to better our lives and in the end we will all be the same fertilizer for insects and worms.
So...we should support being supplanted by illegals be cause your chosen cacs with a D by their names said so? Why would we do that? It's been hurting Black people for decades. No Democrat excuses or narrative can change that FACT.
The issue of systemic racism? Programs and financial benefits for the black community. Things like affirmative action and DEI initiatives. Small business loans targeted at the black community was at an all time high under the Biden administration, which I think was super helpful. I could go on and on but thats a quick summary.
They should at least make an effort to speak English. I don't fukk with Trump but him designating English as the official language is something I support.
If they are not criminals and just want to work we should give them legal status but they must speak the language.
You must be getting all your world experience by reading a textbook in your bedroom. Go outside and move around a little bit then come back and report your findings. Stay away from cults cause you are food for them.
You got brehs in here admitting they understand the bait and switch that's bound to corner high paying jobs for high skilled immigrants and they're FINE with that cause "I'm FBA" All this talk about 6 figures 6 certs on here and brehs are really eyeing landscaping and construction... picking strawberries...
"New research by Carol Swain, professor of law and political science at Vanderbilt University, found that illegal immigration is hurting African Americans. And, according to Professor Swain, the Congressional Black Caucus is not addressing this issue.
Fighting for the white man's scraps. This is the same mentality of people who get mad that McDonald's workers are getting 20 an hour while nurses and teachers are underpaid. Some people can't look up and can only look sideways or down
Well, I am immigrant myself although I am a legal immigrant. Got citizenship through my father. The silliest thing my dad did was not have me here considering he was already living in the U.S.
The Forgotten Letter of Coretta Scott King
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In any age of rapidly changing political and partisan perspectives, it is perhaps well to remember how the immigration debate was originally framed back in 1986 when the Reagan/Bush Amnesty plan, put forth to placate the demands of Corporate America for cheap labor, was first enacted. Ignored at the time were the protests which began as early as 1969, when Cesar Chavez and members of the United Farm Workers marched with the Reverend Ralph Abernathy and U.S. Senator Walter Mondale to the border with Mexico to demand the cessation of employers’ practice of importing illegal labor as a means of cutting wages and reducing thousands of their workers to the most grinding poverty.
The government’s response to such protests and demands for economic justice? In the 1980s at a time when African American teenage unemployment approached a disgraceful 80 percent, Big Business cynically petitioned the INS for more visas for cheap foreign labor on grounds that there was an “unskilled labor shortage”. They largely got what they demanded. While Democrats courageously resisted such blatant attempts to lower the wages of legal Hispanic and African Americans, Reagan Amnesty apologists claimed that Americans wouldn’t stoop to perform the “dirty work” that only illegal workers would perform, ignoring the obvious fact that unemployed legal workers gladly and gratefully collect garbage and work in the coal mines if decent wages were paid.
In fact the pleas for economic justice in America were made many years before by the great African American educator, Booker T. Washington, who made his famous “cast down your bucket where you are” speech at the Atlanta International Exposition in 1895. Having recognized the racist and notorious practice of Big Business of importing and hiring cheap immigrant labor in order to avoid hiring African Americans, Washington pleaded: (T)o those (of you) who look to the incoming of those of foreign birth, cast down your bucket where you are. (If you but do so) we shall stand by you with a devotion that no foreigner can approach, ready to interlace our industrial, commercial, civil and religious life with yours.”
It should be no surprise, therefore, that these demands for economic justice were taken up by the wife of Martin Luther King, who in 1991 joined with eight CEO’s of America’s leading African American organizations to oppose Republican Senator Orin Hatch’s bill to do away with sanctions against employers who persisted in hiring illegal aliens as a means of discriminating and reducing the wages of against African Americans.
“We are concerned, Senator Hatch” Coretta Scott King wrote in her now largely forgotten letter, “That your proposed remedy…will cause another problem—the revival of …discrimination against black and brown U.S. documented workers, in favor of cheap labor.”
Given the success of Big Business in lobbying the U.S. government to ignore these pleas for economic justice — on grounds of “humanitarianism” no less — it is perhaps the ultimate irony that this success has translated also in flipping the partisan narrative to the point where even legal immigrants have been tricked into adopting the Reagan/Bush agenda against their own economic interest under the ideological banner of the party that for decades opposed it.
But there may now be signs of enlightenment by those who have been most oppressed by the Reagan/Bush agenda. In 2014, by a strong majority of 53 percent, male Latinos voted for the Texas Republican Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick, who had promised to stop the notorious practice of luring illegal immigrants—even little children— to their deaths in the desert with such promises as amnesty, and in-state-tuition.
And so, gradually the tide may be turning in Booker T. Washington’s and Coretta Scott King’s demand for economic justice. Even in Germany today, where Merkel basked in the “humanitarian” glow of luring hundreds of thousands un-vetted illegal immigrants with promises of cash rewards (but no jobs, of course), the spectacle of teeming throngs of desperate young males being herded into the most degrading “refugee” camps, or worse showered with useless “vouchers,” may be finally revealing to the world the immorality of luring people from their homes, families, and culture for little more than the political aggrandizement of the politicians who created it. The tragedy, of course, is that the billions spent on such self-defeating endeavors could have been instead been spent on providing safety and economic help in zones created for their protection in the home countries.
In America, no true reform can ever come until the most demagogic politicians cease their deliberate obfuscation of the difference between legal and illegal immigration, and begin streamlining the procedures for legal immigration, which is now so difficult that relatively few can navigate or afford it. When this is done, any wall built will always have doors.
if you believe illegal immigrants are just being dropped off in these neighborhoods primarily, then you have to wonder why white people are so vehemently against this.
Mayor Adams was getting illegal immigrants by the busload and was putting them in white neighborhoods which is why white people were so angry. Black and legal brown people generally didn't care until Mayor Adams started using resources that were supposedly off limits to the community but somehow became available to migrants. There's areas in NYC where you can't tell who's legal and who's not and never could.
i don't care about people coming here illegally, and i don't care if they get deported, either
the fact that Dems crash out over illegals is laughable and embarrassing. every country on the planet has a border and citizenship laws, but we're not allowed to enforce ours for some reason
and they shouldn't necessarily be in favor of it. As an illegal migrant, your #1 goal should be to attain a green card /permanent residency. It doesn't make sense to remain illegal. Attaining that stuff apparently is such a pain in the ass and very slighted against black and brown people and the circumstances that cause the unrest in some places is based off some shyt the US had some involvement in.
I'm all for doing what you gotta do correctly, but make no mistake, the people who hate illegal immigration so much, hate immigrants, period. If YOU moved into some of those neighborhoods, there's gonna be a lot of teeth sucking, and you have just as much of a right to this land as they do, maybe even more. If a boatload of illegals from Italy pulled into Staten Island, nobody there's gonna ask "what diseases are they bringing in? What's their criminal records?"
White people are not overrunning hoods like that, not at the rate of illegal immigrants. I’m saying we already dealing with what we have now and you want more of the bs
i don't care about people coming here illegally, and i don't care if they get deported, either
the fact that Dems crash out over illegals is laughable and embarrassing. every country on the planet has a border and citizenship laws, but we're not allowed to enforce ours for some reason
that's kinda where I'm at with it. It's not the hill I'm gonna die on, but I definitely empathize with illegal migrants with little money tryna figure it out in a city like mine
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although I am a legal immigrant. Got citizenship through my father. The silliest thing my dad did was not have me here considering he was already living in the U.S.
