Is the whole illegal immigrants thing just crabs in a bucket?

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Yes, Black people are not a monolith. That is why I use actual reports to support my position on this issue. 6/10 Black people are competing with them for the same market of jobs, that was in an actual congressional report. So, those of my people who are not in my same economic status, still receive consideration from me concerning issues that affect our people as a whole.

You, coming in here and making the asinine post you made above, exposes that you could not care less about Black Americans. Your mentality is pretty much, "I am fine, so f'em", right? Instead, you give your empathy to the racists that are crossing the border, who have themselves stated they align with Trump. Those are the people you support, while trying to come in here and make an asinine argument about all Black people not being the same.

Well, what do you call a Black person who will support another ethnicity at the detriment of his own people? What do we call such a person who wil have more empathy for an ethnicity that hates his own than he does for his own ethnicity? Whatever that is called, you have demonstrated in your post that it fits you.
You must be getting all your world experience by reading a textbook in your bedroom. Go outside and move around a little bit then come back and report your findings. Stay away from cults cause you are food for them.
 

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All of this nonsense is just so we’ll fight over bullshyt while billionaires fukk us with no vasaline.

A lot of you really fall for this bullshyt :snoop:
You got brehs in here admitting they understand the bait and switch that's bound to corner high paying jobs for high skilled immigrants and they're FINE with that cause "I'm FBA" :what: All this talk about 6 figures 6 certs on here and brehs are really eyeing landscaping and construction... picking strawberries...
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The Consequences of Illegal Immigration for Housing Affordability, Government Budgets, and American Workers


Prepared Testimony of Steven A. Camarota Director of Research Center for Immigration Studies

For

U.S. House Oversight and Accountability Committee, Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs

Hearing entitled: “The Border Crisis: The Cost of Chaos”

Wednesday, September 25, 2024

'Summary: My testimony will focus on the impact of illegal immigration on housing affordability, public coffers, and American workers. Adding millions of people to the country through immigration drives up the cost of housing and reduces affordability relative to wages in areas of heavy settlement. Fiscally, illegal immigrants are a net drain — they create more in costs than they pay in taxes. This is primarily due to their low average education levels, which results in low average earnings and tax payments. Their lower incomes and education cause a large share to qualify for welfare programs, typically through their U.S.-born children. Illegal immigration also increases the supply of labor impacting the wages and employment of some American workers, often the poorest and least educated. Further, the availability of illegal immigrant workers allows American policymakers to ignore the decades-long increase in the share of working-age less-educated U.S.-born men not in the labor force — neither working nor looking for work. They are not counted as unemployed because they are not actively looking for work. This deterioration is linked to serious social pathologies such as crime, welfare dependency, suicide, and drug overdoses. Finally, illegal immigrants do increase the aggregate size of the U.S. economy, but overall GDP impact is not a measure of their tax contributions or economic benefits to the U.S.-born. Almost all the GDP increase goes to the illegal immigrants themselves in the form of wages.'

I know most of you arguing for illegal immigration will not read this nor the accompanying pdf, but I am putting it up there all the same. This is for those who really want to know the truth about what Congress is hearing, compared to what they are being told by media pundits. Keep in mind that this report was given before the Election while Biden was still in office.
 

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You must be getting all your world experience by reading a textbook in your bedroom. Go outside and move around a little bit then come back and report your findings. Stay away from cults cause you are food for them.
I have been all over the world as a former Naval Officer. Try again, but I am pretty sure now you are trolling.

Edit: I also know what the name you are using means. So tell me, who are you fighting against?
 

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Ok this is wrong and I’ll tell you why. When immigrants come here 9/10 they move into black neighborhoods and just slowly but surely infest the rest of the neighborhood in years and push the black residents out either through force or just how some of them live. Cops don’t live in primarily black neighborhoods. I’ll go even further to say that in areas where illegal immigrants have numbers kill more of our people than police officers do.
the fact you brazenly use the word 'infest' to describe immigrants or any group of people at all tells me all I need to know about how much Nazi MAGA rhetoric shyt you've been ingesting. straight up lost.
 

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"New research by Carol Swain, professor of law and political science at Vanderbilt University, found that illegal immigration is hurting African Americans. And, according to Professor Swain, the Congressional Black Caucus is not addressing this issue.

In her essay in the newly released volume Debating Immigration, which Professor Swain edited, she said that African Americans are losing more jobs to illegal immigrants than to other racial or ethic groups, yet low income black workers don’t have political input in the debate.

“African Americans have been left devoid of a strong black voice in Congress on a topic that affects them deeply, given their high unemployment rates and historic struggle to get quality housing, health care, education and other goods and services,” writes Professor Swain."


The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers

A Briefing Before The United States Commission on Civil Rights Held in Washington, DC Briefing Report

"The United States Commission on Civil Rights (Commission) is pleased to transmit this report, The Impact ofIllegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers. A panel of experts briefed members of the Commission on April 4, 2008 regarding the evidence for economic loss and job opportunity costs to black workers attributable to illegal immigration. The panelists also described non-economic factors contributing to the depression of black wages and employment rates. Based on that discussion, the Commission developed the findings and recommendation that are included in this report.

Among its findings, the Commission notes that the illegal workers are estimated to account for as much as one-third of total immigrants in the United States, and that illegal immigration has tended to increase the supply of low-skilled, low-wage labor available. The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants. Evidence for negative effects of such competition ranged from modest to significant, according to the experts who testified, but even those experts who viewed the effects as modest overall found significant effects in occupations such as meatpacking and construction."


Again, I know those of you arguing for illegal immigration will not read any of this, but this is here for those who desire to know what is really being said about the issue in the Halls of Power, and not what the laymen are receiving from the media pundits.
 

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So you trying to equate illegal immigration to racism?

You trying to say black people who speak against illegal immigration is racist?
No I'm trying to equate the masses that rage against illegal immigrants from their privilege of being born here and not having to go through what those people did as that. I'm not losing a wink of sleep because an illegal immigrant is down the street from me. It has jack shyt to do with me and my life goes on. Being born in this country I had way more opportunity than they ever did and hell than they still do.

Leave them be if they aren't hurting anybody and move on.
 

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"New research by Carol Swain, professor of law and political science at Vanderbilt University, found that illegal immigration is hurting African Americans. And, according to Professor Swain, the Congressional Black Caucus is not addressing this issue.

In her essay in the newly released volume Debating Immigration, which Professor Swain edited, she said that African Americans are losing more jobs to illegal immigrants than to other racial or ethic groups, yet low income black workers don’t have political input in the debate.

“African Americans have been left devoid of a strong black voice in Congress on a topic that affects them deeply, given their high unemployment rates and historic struggle to get quality housing, health care, education and other goods and services,” writes Professor Swain."



The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers

A Briefing Before The United States Commission on Civil Rights Held in Washington, DC Briefing Report

"The United States Commission on Civil Rights (Commission) is pleased to transmit this report, The Impact ofIllegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers. A panel of experts briefed members of the Commission on April 4, 2008 regarding the evidence for economic loss and job opportunity costs to black workers attributable to illegal immigration. The panelists also described non-economic factors contributing to the depression of black wages and employment rates. Based on that discussion, the Commission developed the findings and recommendation that are included in this report.

Among its findings, the Commission notes that the illegal workers are estimated to account for as much as one-third of total immigrants in the United States, and that illegal immigration has tended to increase the supply of low-skilled, low-wage labor available. The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants. Evidence for negative effects of such competition ranged from modest to significant, according to the experts who testified, but even those experts who viewed the effects as modest overall found significant effects in occupations such as meatpacking and construction."



Again, I know those of you arguing for illegal immigration will not read any of this, but this is here for those who desire to know what is really being said about the issue in the Halls of Power, and not what the laymen are receiving from the media pundits.
I mean if you were born in the United States of America and you can't fend off an illegal immigrant for a job your life outlook is very bleak. To be honest the kinds of jobs illegal immigrants are getting I don't want to begin with and find undesirable so I'm coming from that perspective. If I was born in the USA I'd want more for myself than that.
 

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Why is OP coming here starting shyt like illegal immigration isnt a problem?!?!:what: if he read a book or see how economically it's an issue when these corporations push americans out of jobs to pay illegals over everyday americans and the american govt give only them specifics and money to prop them up with our tax dollars it's not a problem???:what: has OP been under a fukking rock. No other country props up illegal immigrants over their own citizens why is it accepted here???
Ur fat and broke, u just wanna blame someone for ur failures
 

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Fighting for the white man's scraps. This is the same mentality of people who get mad that McDonald's workers are getting 20 an hour while nurses and teachers are underpaid. Some people can't look up and can only look sideways or down
 

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Ur fat and broke, u just wanna blame someone for ur failures

Yadda Yadda Yadda. But am I wrong?!?!:what: it's wild people defending the govt giving illegal immigrants favor over it's own citizens and yet im the one wrong pointing it out. OTHER COUNTRIES DOESNT DO THAT!!!
 
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I mean if you were born in the United States of America and you can't fend off an illegal immigrant for a job your life outlook is very bleak. To be honest the kinds of jobs illegal immigrants are getting I don't want to begin with and find undesirable so I'm coming from that perspective. If I was born in the USA I'd want more for myself than that.
First, so are you exposing that you are not from the US with this position about how people in the US should feel about illegal immigration?

Second, your sly attempt at trying to insult was useless, since I am a member of the upper middle class. I just know the actual stats and data on the bulk of the American population, especially my own ethnicity, and I understand that my position that I have obtained is not available to all of my people considering the hurdles we have to go through. So I have empathy for those in my own ethnicity who are not in the same socio-economic status that I am. Meaning, that I will always choose my own people over other groups, especially when those other groups are racist towards my people.

Last, are you even a Black person?
 

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Well, I am immigrant myself :manny: although I am a legal immigrant. Got citizenship through my father. The silliest thing my dad did was not have me here considering he was already living in the U.S.

Is it crabs in the bucket? Yes, I know enough about the U.S to know the problem is not immigrants :mjlol:. The biggest issue U.S citizens have right now is gross capitalism. There is no difference between Elon Musk(South African), Peter Thiel (german), Jeff Bezos (american) etc. etc. You have a billionaire/millionaire class who are not content with what they have, they want more. Everything is driven by as much profit as possible.

one of the biggest reasons why rent is so damn high


Most immigrants are just trying to seek a better life, will work dirt pay jobs if they are not citizens.
 
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