Is the Democratic Party becoming the refuge for out of favor Neo-Cons?
- Thread starter Dr. Acula
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Nimble republicans are conceding the social values war
Armchair Militant
Stay woke
They don’t seem to be getting their way
Cave Savage
Feminist
They kind of are though.
Biden is leaving in 665 troops in Afghanistan after the "withdrawal" and he's still doing airstrikes in the Middle East
Someone needs to tell him that it's not 2004 anymore and most people want out completely
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Biden isn’t really leaving Afghanistan, and they want an excuse to keep the current troop levels.
GPBear
The Tape Crusader
Not really
Since Goldwater, the Republican party has consisted of 'neoconservatives' and 'paleoconservatives'. Reagan/Bush were neocons. Paleoconservatives are like Buchanan, Trump, and these kinds of idiots. So Neocons had a lot of power with their globalist, expansionist policies, probably in part because they were willing to work with multinational companies to generate their wealth (cough, Cheney, Halleburton, Iraq etc.) However, the average GOP voter isn't some rich wall street guy, but some racist redneck hillbilly, so Trump was able to win the state primaries because the average pissed off rust-belt worker didn't fukk with Reaganite concepts that outsourced all their jobs.
From wiki:
Friction with paleoconservatism
Main article: Neoconservatism and paleoconservatism
Starting during the 1980s, disputes concerning Israel and public policy contributed to a conflict with paleoconservatives. Pat Buchanan terms neoconservatism "a globalist, interventionist, open borders ideology".[101] Paul Gottfried has written that the neocons' call for "permanent revolution" exists independently of their beliefs about Israel,[102] characterizing the neos as "ranters out of a Dostoyevskian novel, who are out to practice permanent revolution courtesy of the U.S. government" and questioning how anyone could mistake them for conservatives.[103] "What make neocons most dangerous are not their isolated ghetto hang-ups, like hating Germans and Southern whites and calling everyone and his cousin an anti-Semite, but the leftist revolutionary fury they express."
So there's a lot of overlap between neoliberals and neoconservatives, but fundamentally they share more in common with the paleos than with the democrats - even the moderate scumbags like Manchin.
Basically the neoconservatives were in control of the party for decades, and when these alt-right Trump idiots took over, they acted like they were gonna take their ball and go home - talking about "I'm not gonna vote for him!" in 2016, then later coming back "turns out I did vote for him
"
So they make it seem like they're gonna split, but the fact that both of their political ideologies are based on nationalism, 'patriotism', deeply ingrained white supremacy, anti-progressive policies, etc. means that they ain't going anywhere.
The better question is if older neoliberal democrats will start jumping ship for the republicans as the new pro-socialist wave takes over. Self-identified "capitalist"
Elizabeth Warren was a member of the GOP back in the day, so these geriatric, out of touch, moderate democrats turning coat is a lot more likely than any republican leaving for the democrats. Even McCain was flirting with welcoming Lieberman into the fold. The republicans are always trying to siphon voters from the democrats, democrats have the numbers so they aren't hurting to bring republicans to their side - they just need to keep voting open and transparent, which the republicans curve at every opportunity.
Since Goldwater, the Republican party has consisted of 'neoconservatives' and 'paleoconservatives'. Reagan/Bush were neocons. Paleoconservatives are like Buchanan, Trump, and these kinds of idiots. So Neocons had a lot of power with their globalist, expansionist policies, probably in part because they were willing to work with multinational companies to generate their wealth (cough, Cheney, Halleburton, Iraq etc.) However, the average GOP voter isn't some rich wall street guy, but some racist redneck hillbilly, so Trump was able to win the state primaries because the average pissed off rust-belt worker didn't fukk with Reaganite concepts that outsourced all their jobs.
From wiki:
Friction with paleoconservatism
Main article: Neoconservatism and paleoconservatism
Starting during the 1980s, disputes concerning Israel and public policy contributed to a conflict with paleoconservatives. Pat Buchanan terms neoconservatism "a globalist, interventionist, open borders ideology".[101] Paul Gottfried has written that the neocons' call for "permanent revolution" exists independently of their beliefs about Israel,[102] characterizing the neos as "ranters out of a Dostoyevskian novel, who are out to practice permanent revolution courtesy of the U.S. government" and questioning how anyone could mistake them for conservatives.[103] "What make neocons most dangerous are not their isolated ghetto hang-ups, like hating Germans and Southern whites and calling everyone and his cousin an anti-Semite, but the leftist revolutionary fury they express."
So there's a lot of overlap between neoliberals and neoconservatives, but fundamentally they share more in common with the paleos than with the democrats - even the moderate scumbags like Manchin.
Basically the neoconservatives were in control of the party for decades, and when these alt-right Trump idiots took over, they acted like they were gonna take their ball and go home - talking about "I'm not gonna vote for him!" in 2016, then later coming back "turns out I did vote for him
"So they make it seem like they're gonna split, but the fact that both of their political ideologies are based on nationalism, 'patriotism', deeply ingrained white supremacy, anti-progressive policies, etc. means that they ain't going anywhere.
The better question is if older neoliberal democrats will start jumping ship for the republicans as the new pro-socialist wave takes over. Self-identified "capitalist"
Elizabeth Warren was a member of the GOP back in the day, so these geriatric, out of touch, moderate democrats turning coat is a lot more likely than any republican leaving for the democrats. Even McCain was flirting with welcoming Lieberman into the fold. The republicans are always trying to siphon voters from the democrats, democrats have the numbers so they aren't hurting to bring republicans to their side - they just need to keep voting open and transparent, which the republicans curve at every opportunity.
Cave Savage
Feminist
Neocons may be extinct in 10 years.
Look how quickly the number of non interventionist Republicans in congress has grown. A few years ago it was only the libertarians (Thomas Massie and Justin Amash), now with the populist movement there's also Gosar, Biggs, Gaetz, Gohmert, Boebert, Greene, Good, etc.
That's why there's ZERO incentive for any Democrats to be pro war, if the Dems end up being the more interventionist part it will be a bad look.
Look how quickly the number of non interventionist Republicans in congress has grown. A few years ago it was only the libertarians (Thomas Massie and Justin Amash), now with the populist movement there's also Gosar, Biggs, Gaetz, Gohmert, Boebert, Greene, Good, etc.
That's why there's ZERO incentive for any Democrats to be pro war, if the Dems end up being the more interventionist part it will be a bad look.
Bet your ass the next Republican president will get a sensation down low when there seems to be a chance to bomb Iran.
He's actually right, defense spending is HIGHLY supported by union workers.
NZA
LOL
defense money, natural resource industry, fruit companies, and AIPAC give them all the incentive they need. if they can put some kente cloth and non binary pronouns on it, they can make damn near anything fly. the ability to add some decent paying jobs for blue collar folk is icing on the cake
Anti-war progressive/Justice Democrat co-signing an infamous NeoCon like Bill Kristol. Ro is getting so much shyt in the quote tweets & replies from both the Left & the Right.
