Although I don't completely agree with the era assertion - he's basically had a perfect storm to put up these numbers that others even in his own era haven't had.
Is Odell The Best WR In the Game Right Now?
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while i agree, he's in the right situation (team that airs the ball out, a reliable qb, being the main option, a shytty d which means more opportunities), you dont think the era helps?.....you dont think moss, to, cj, rice, playmaker, etc. wouldnt put up similar numbers in this era?...
But they are a part of this era (for the lack of a better term) though.
I mean let's not act like ALL those players haven't had all-time high yardage seasons:
Moss - 1632, 1493, 1437, 1413
Owens - 1451, 1412, 1355, 1300
C.J. - 1440, 1432, 1369, 1355
Rice - 1848, 1570, 1503, 1502
Irvin - 1603, 1523, 1396, 1330
ODB - 1305, 1320***
The only thing different is NONE of those players started in the setup that ODB fortunately (for his own individual scale) landed himself in.
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But they are a part of this era though.
I mean let's not act like ALL those players haven't had all-time high yardage seasons:
Moss - 1632, 1493, 1437, 1413
Owens - 1451, 1412, 1355, 1300
C.J. - 1964, 1681, 1492, 1331
Rice - 1848, 1570, 1503, 1502
Irvin - 1603, 1523, 1396, 1330
ODB - 1305, 1320***
The only thing different is NONE of those players started in the setup that ODB fortunately (for his own individual scale) landed himself in.
no, they are not part of this era...rice, irvin, and them were gone before this era....moss, to, cj, etc. were at/are at the end of their career when it started.....the nfl was not as pass happy as it is now...the rules werent set up/enforced as they are now...for the most part: the rules now are so slated to the offense, they pretty much want the def to let the wr catch the ball before doing anything....i cant count how many times i've seen 'hitting a defenseless receiver' called and thought 'but he was touching the ball, how was he defenseless?'....
anyway, them putting up the numbers despite the league not being as pass happy shows their talent....
again, i havent knocked obj....i think he is a hell of a talent and has potential to go down as one of the greats....i just dont think he's the best in the league right now and i dont think that pic that shows the stats is telling the whole story...
I'm not going to get into the data of pass/rush ratio season-by-season change, nor the change of laws - because not only should you be privy to the fact that shyt really hasn't changed but that all of those aforementioned players and elite receivers during their time had similar targets in accordance to their roles on their respective team, that ODB has. Look at the leader in receiving yards each season -
I mean shyt you put all those players you mentioned through the league right now, in the EXACT same position (equivalent personnel and scheme) they were in the league during their first two seasons and there'd be virtually no change in their #s - it wasn't like the "era" that they played in restricted them from putting up what ODB is currently doing now.
Do you think we would even be having this conversation if ODB was drafted by Minnesota, San Fran or St.Louis - of course not - he wouldn't have the opportunities to put up these #s.
It doesn't breh. It shows the direction of their team and opportunities they had. You take any of the top 5 receivers today back in time, 10-25+ years ago, place them in a suitable environment where they were the #1 receiver and they'd cook just the same.
I don't think he's the best in the league either. That would be AB, nevertheless he's still an elite talent (whose talent would translate in any era) who has benefitted from being in a great position - rather than era he plays in.
I'm not going to get into the data of pass/rush ratio season-by-season change, nor the change of laws - because not only should you be privy to the fact that shyt really hasn't changed but that all of those aforementioned players and elite receivers during their time had similar targets in accordance to their roles on their respective team, that ODB has. Look at the leader in receiving yards each season -
I mean shyt you put all those players you mentioned through the league right now, in the EXACT same position (equivalent personnel and scheme) they were in the league during their first two seasons and there'd be virtually no change in their #s - it wasn't like the "era" that they played in restricted them from putting up what ODB is currently doing now.
Do you think we would even be having this conversation if ODB was drafted by Minnesota, San Fran or St.Louis - of course not - he wouldn't have the opportunities to put up these #s.
It doesn't breh. It shows the direction of their team and opportunities they had. You take any of the top 5 receivers today back in time, 10-25+ years ago, place them in a suitable environment where they were the #1 receiver and they'd cook just the same.
I don't think he's the best in the league either. That would be AB, nevertheless he's still an elite talent (whose talent would translate in any era) who has benefitted from being in a great position - rather than era he plays in.
you not gonna get into the difference in play calling, rules, etc., but you gonna make sure to say you dont think tis' changed that much? lol ok...
as for what players would do in different eras, we'll just agree to disagree...i think some of those players would put up better numbers than they did, you dont...that's cool..
also, where did i bash obj's talent? cause you making points about shyt i havent said....never once did i bash his talent...i actually said he's a hell of a talent and has potential to go down as one of the greats....just said people using that pic shouldnt cause it doesnt tell the whole story...
He's definitely the best LGBTcommunity wr in the game, but he isn't the best overall
Because it hasn't.
Elite talent at the receiver position have put up elite numbers for the last 20-30 years, based on their role, personnel and scheme of the team that they were on. This all doesn't happen in a vacuum - for factors you claim that favor receivers of today - you must take into account the better defensive schemes on stopping the pass and the better athletes. Numbers that Irvin, Rice, #88 for the Colts and **** had during their day wouldn't be any different to what they'd put up right now.
It's less to do with the "era" and more to do with one's role on a team.
By what margin?
I mean shyt most of the league leaders in receiving yards each season already had the perfect situation to put up those numbers - numbers they wouldn't put up on other teams. Would Rice, Irvin, CJ, Moss and TO be as great as they were if they were drafted by a team that focused on building a strong defense/heavy-run style with interchanging QBs every season? Of course not. Just because Isaac Bruce put up 1700+ yards in 1995, the transferable equivalent would be upwards of 2000+ yards today? Of course not.
I NEVER accused you of 'bashing' his talent. You're right it doesn't tell the whole story, but it has little to do with the "era" he plays in -
I mean are you just going to blatantly ignore that some of the comparisons (Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones and Antonio Brown) are playing today?
Because it hasn't.
Elite talent at the receiver position have put up elite numbers for the last 20-30 years, based on their role, personnel and scheme of the team that they were on. This all doesn't happen in a vacuum - for factors you claim that favor receivers of today - you must take into account the better defensive schemes on stopping the pass and the better athletes. Numbers that Irvin, Rice, #88 for the Colts and **** had during their day wouldn't be any different to what they'd put up right now.
It's less to do with the "era" and more to do with one's role on a team.
By what margin?
I mean shyt most of the league leaders in receiving yards each season already had the perfect situation to put up those numbers - numbers they wouldn't put up on other teams. Would Rice, Irvin, CJ, Moss and TO be as great as they were if they were drafted by a team that focused on building a strong defense/heavy-run style with interchanging QBs every season? Of course not. Just because Isaac Bruce put up 1700+ yards in 1995, the transferable equivalent would be upwards of 2000+ yards today? Of course not.
I NEVER accused you of 'bashing' his talent. You're right it doesn't tell the whole story, but it has little to do with the "era" he plays in -
I mean are you just going to blatantly ignore that some of the comparisons (Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones and Antonio Brown) are playing today?
the rules and play calling have changed....you dont think so, cool, but that doesnt make it so...
dont know how much their numbers would increase....
by harping on the era shyt and saying he'd perform in any era makes it seem like you think i doubted his talent, which i never did once....also, i really dont know what you're stating a case for at this point....it seems you took shyt i said, twisted it in your head to say something else, and just wanted to have a convo about it....cause i didnt ignore the 3 that are playing now, that's included in the 'the pic doesnt tell the whole story'....as for 'era', i was obviously talking about moss and rice....but whatever.....have a good one....
Nobody's saying that they haven't.
For past elite receivers who were on a team that maximized their abilities - their numbers wouldn't increase if they were in the league today. What, they're suddenly just going to get more receptions or run for more yards? It's not simple as that. You need to look at the whole picture - the QBs throwing to them, the other receivers on the team, the better defensive schemes at stopping the pass, schedule, what type of RBs they have on the team, the better athletes etc etc.
This vague reasoning of "their numbers would increase" doesn't bode well with reality.
You're not making any sense.
For the last time - it has less to do with the era ODB plays in and more to do with the role he has and the personnel he plays with. He wouldn't be putting up these numbers on a team like Minnesota.
shyt is sickening...
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I would take Antonio Brown over him, but its close. After that its Julio and then theres a slight dip before anyone else.
this is what you said about the rules: 'I'm not going to get into the data of pass/rush ratio season-by-season change, nor the change of laws - because not only should you be privy to the fact that shyt really hasn't changed'....but you didnt say they havent changed?..lol ok...
doesnt bode well in reality? lol.....the reason i say their numbers would increase is because the play calling leans towards more passing and the rules lean toward the offense even more now, they would get more opportunities at passes, yards after catches, etc...
i dont make sense?....lol that's what i'm saying about you and whatever stance you're taking.....i stated: the pic doesnt tell the whole story and also you shouldnt compare eras....now, why would i be talking about a different era in relation to ab, jj, and cj? i wasnt, but you decided i was and ran with it....just like you ran with that moss and rice are part of obj's era.....also, you're harping on 'era' and ignoring everything else like 'era' is the reason i said he's putting up numbers, when i did no such thing....
The game changing did effect the position tho. I'm the 90s and early part of the 2000s you could blindside receivers smoke em. Now you gotta wait till the make the catch and make a football move b4 you form tackle em (in exaggerating but u should see my point 
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