Is Nikola Jokic a top 20 player of all time right now?

[get these nets]

He was bad in the ABA but when Dr J came to 6ers he should’ve deferred more

Those mid to late 70s Sixers teams always come up when people compare assembled talent vs a cohesive team with defined roles. And the importance of the right coach to manage that talent and those egos .

But as a star in his peak, why would GM defer to Doc?

 

[FabTrey]

You right. Moses is one of the most disrespected legends

West yea but… That’s what’s crazy about Jokic. He has 3 MVPs and West has 0. It’s hard to view a current player the same as an iconic legend, but really think about it. What does West have over Jokic?

Doc is a hard rate. When he came over he wasn’t dominating like he was in the ABA. And super low key, he might not have been the best player on a lot of his teams. I’m not just talking Moses either. Before that. George McGinnis was averaging 20 and 10 on them teams.

West has 4 defensive 1st team. something joker will never have.

 

[Shadow King]

how many top 20 players have one ring?

Oscar
Jerry
Some/most have at least one if not both of KG/Dirk

None of them have 3 MVPs which is rare air.

 

[Paper Boi]

Oscar
Jerry
Some/most have at least one if not both of KG/Dirk

None of them have 3 MVPs which is rare air.

he better thank dirk, idk about KG

 

[FabTrey]

These 2 need to be considered in the top 20.


John Havlicek

• 8× NBA champion (1963–1966, 1968, 1969, 1974, 1976)
• NBA Finals MVP (1974)
• 13× NBA All-Star (1966–1978)
• 4× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974)
• 7× All-NBA Second Team (1964, 1966, 1968–1970, 1975, 1976)
• 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1972–1976)
• 3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1969–1971)
• NBA All-Rookie First Team (1963)

Bob Pettit

• NBA champion (1958)
• 2× NBA Most Valuable Player (1956, 1959)
• 11× NBA All-Star (1955–1965)
• 4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1956, 1958, 1959, 1962)
• 10× All-NBA First Team (1955–1964)
• All-NBA Second Team (1965)
• NBA Rookie of the Year (1955)
• 2× NBA scoring champion (1956, 1959)

new heads might not agree because they don't have skills, but that shouldn't be the criteria. it's always about what they've done against their peers. those resume stands out.


And i'm not sure why Drob always get left out in these conversations.


David Robinson

• 2× NBA champion (1999, 2003)
• NBA Most Valuable Player (1995)
• 10× NBA All-Star (1990–1996, 1998, 2000, 2001)
• 4× All-NBA First Team (1991, 1992, 1995, 1996)
• 2× All-NBA Second Team (1994, 1998)
• 4× All-NBA Third Team (1990, 1993, 2000, 2001)
• NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1992)
• 4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1991, 1992, 1995, 1996)
• 4× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1990, 1993, 1994, 1998)

Jokic will eventually have a resume to be in the top 10 conversation, but narratives can change quickly come playoff time.

 

[Braman]

West has 4 defensive 1st team. something joker will never have.

3 MVPs >>>> 4 defensive 1st team

 

[Kinguno]

Yes when someone was almost a four time consecutive MVP that puts them on an all time great tier

Jokic is the perfect example of a guy who is equal or greater than greats of the past who might not have as a many accolades as in championships,MVPS, Allstars, and ALL NBAs especially given how the voting has changed

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You know it's funny how a vocal majority of this board did nothing but downplay his ability when he first became a star, and now that he's proven them infinitely wrong, where we're now having discussions on whether he's top-20 OAT or not, yet these same cats are still trying to desperately hang onto some narrative about how he isn't that good, is no greater example of this board not liking hoops.

Y'all don't like hoops.

 

[BrehWyatt]

He's the best of his era and solely from an offensive standpoint, he may go down as the best all-around center ever.

But to answer the question? No. It's too early for him.

 

[FabTrey]

3 MVPs >>>> 4 defensive 1st team

Didnt say they are better than joker. I'm just saying those 2 needs to be mentioned in top 20.

 

[BrehWyatt]

There are so many other factors than just MVP and Finals MVP. How about DPOY? All NBA and All Defense selections. All Star Berths, etc

This is the shyt that needs to stop. He’s not playing with bums. How many games has Jamal Murray won for them in the playoffs and been their closer? Dude has scored 50+ a few times. The game in which Joker had the 60pt triple double, Gordon scored 30. MPJ is averaging like 18ppg and was once the #1 ranked player in his class.

THIS.

Denver is a well-built team with a clear alpha surrounded by complementary pieces and rolling with a #2 who has flashed #1 ability several times in key situations. It just so happens that Jokic is so good to where he's assured things like the All-Star game, which is a popularity contest. All-NBA, he has no worries because he's consensus best center in the game despite not having to do much on the defensive end beyond boards.

In general, All-NBA is reserved for #1 options of their team or exceptional #2 players. Somebody like Jamal Murray ain't getting no votes over the likes of Curry, Booker, SGA, Ant-man, Mitchell, a healthy Morant, Tatum, Brunson, Cunningham, etc.

ESPECIALLY now that the All-NBA teams are positionless.

 

[bl2k8]

Jokic win another title this year they gonna try and put him in the top 3, watch