Is it possible to make almost every wrestler a winner/ get them over?

[Kunty McPhuck]

Apart from the Special Olympics it's impossible to make everyone a winner. Life isn't like that, where everyone wins, we all know that isn't true.

 

[jadillac]

People saying anyone can be over is foolish

Its more than just getting Ws, wrestler needs to connect with the crowd

Look at Roman, is he over? Id say thats debatable and he wins all the time

Winning doesn't necessarily equal being over.

But losing every time definitely equates to not being over

Roman is a bad example because we know if he wasn't a goody corny character he'd be over

 

[John Reena]

I look at Apollo Crews, the Revival for example.

In nxt, both acts were super over....now on the main roster they are basically jobbers.

I personally don't think it has to be that way. They shouldn't lose every match to the point where crowds are basically indifferent to them now. Its hard to break a character out of that. The New Day were basically there as solo acts before that gimmick.

But guys like Duggan, Koko, Piper etc were super over in the 80s without even sniffing a title run. They were over bc they simply weren't relegated to being jobbers.

Maybe they need to bring back actual jobbers bc wasting great talent like Apollo, the Revival and others is just throwing money away.

In WWE, those guys u mentioned got 3 strikes against em’:

1. They small

2. No charisma

3. Good workers aka Vince just gonna use em to make his favorites look good.

Plus, somebody gotta be a jobber.

 

[Ripp]

Not everyone can win but most should at least be in engaging storylines.

If all they do is just wrestle, then their W/L record will matter much more than it should and won’t get over for being losers.

just recetly started watching impact again, had 3 episodes taped and I watched em all back to back... in 6hrs of programming only 1 match took place without a promo/video package/storyline for why its taking place..

WWE is missing storylines and basicinteraction even if it was a 1minute backstage clip. TNA giving these random nikkas shine... 1st episode I was like 3rd episode I was what these nikkas bout to do next?

storylines are key.. even in the attitude era al snow, head bangers, gangrel, val venis, big bossman all had storylines... gave us a reason to be invested in these dudes...

I wrestle good and I flip is corny

 

[Alpha Male]

If they had more jobber matches then they could showcase their roster more easily and have everyone looking strong and rack up more W’s.

Fukkin DINO BRAVO was more credible than 90% of the current roster because chances are if you saw a match of his on weekly tv he was out there crushing some dude and making it look easy. Everyone on the recurring roster was built up to look like a beast against your average person.

Braun is the only one on the roster currently who was given the benefit of this type of build. Everyone else is lost in 50/50 limbo and never come off strong.

 

[MushroomX]

This......

Lucha Underground is currently the best and most recent example of how to do it or how it’s done.

For shows to that crowd, 98% of their roster gets a pop or reaction during matches

Martha

WWE has the resources to make stars, more than NJPW, but they only care about caring for the big fish; which for them is OK.

Thats how they want to do it, but they fail to maximize profit.

 

[Slystallion]

The business was on TV much less back then so it protected talent. There were maybe just a 2 to 4 big ppvs a year and fueds lasted longer and they only faced at big shows

And yes the jobbers helped because people weren't losing all the time like now.

The truth is an 80s t.v. Schedule would help the product and talent tremendously because fans can anticipate more and you will be less stressed creating content on a weekly basis

But unfortunately to pay all these guys and to make what they are making now they would never cut down on the product frequency

In a way you can say the jobbers still exist they are just allowed to have gimmicks now

 

[DANJ!]

Not all winners but in a sense everybody could be over if WWE really wanted that.

People saying it’s not possible must be forgetting how the whole damn roster was over in 98, 99 and 00.

With the women’s evolution going on right now though WWE cares so little about lower midcarders like Apollo and Ascension, especially with the women being bankable merch sellers.

Not true... we remember the ones who were over cause they got over. Nobody ever talks about the ones who didn't.

They tried to get Kurrgan over and people just didn't give a fukk... only time he was even remotely close to 'over' was with the Oddities and that lasted about 2 months. Dan Severn by all mean should've gotten over but nobody got into him at all. Dr. Death couldn't get over. Bart Gunn won the whole Brawl For All and the most notable thing he did was get knocked the fukk out by Butterbean. Marc Mero showed how over he was soon as they separated Sable from him. Just Joe was trash from the jump, never went anywhere. Droz was pretty damn unover. Kai En Tai was basically change-the-channel unless it involved cutting Val Venis' dikk off. They tried with Bradshaw several times until he finally got over with APA. No one went for Shawn Stasiak, Key, "Beaver Cleavage", Los Boricuas, D.O.A., Tiger Ali Singh with his fake Million Dollar Man gimmick, Public Enemy, Armegeddon, nobody in that NWA storyline... there's a number of people in the Attitude Era that didn't get over. Because ultimately, somebody's gonna be on the bottom, somebody's gonna be low priority, somebody's gonna be used to help the ones who are actually over, get over.

Even back in the mid/late 80s when damn near the entire roster was over to some degree, you still had your Outback Jack, Ted Arcidi, dikk Slater, etc. that couldn't even get over with a decent push because it just didn't work. And then on the other hand, Lanny Poffo jobbed to EVERYBODY and still got kinda/sorta over because at least he had a little gimmick that set him apart from the other generic jobbers.

IMO, Apollo got called up hella early and was kinda being pushed before they even gave people a reason to like him. Then of course it didn't work so since then he's been floating around. There's still a chance he gets over, cause one thing I will say about WWE... in recent years, they've been more willing to keep people on the roster if there's a chance they can move up. Remember how the Usos were comin' out to crickets for almost three years before they got over-as-fukk in 2013... so all might not be lost for Apollo, Revival, Ascension, or some others who haven't blown up YET, it just might require a change of pace.

 

[Kinguno]

In a way NXT is ruining WWE in ways that will get worse in time especially with rumors of NXT getting a TV show

I think WWE needs to lessen the amount of Wrestlers as a whole and build feuds around the titles, contendership,and super matches

Like no reason for people in a feuds to be fighting against each other every week

also just because a Wrestler been wrestling for 11 years like people in NXT doesn't mean they should be given pushes soon as they get to SD or Raw it makes certain people look bad to lose to someone in "development"

One more thing the forcing of Women on TV is bad because they take up too much time, they can't wrestle, their promos suck, and they have a TV show already after Charlotte, Naomi,Askua,Nia Jax, Bliss Sasha, Ronda, and unfortunately Bayley the rest are jobbers

One more thing the whole forcing title changes after 3- 4 months or after a few weeks thing is old

Certain beefs shouldn't be so long

Shane and KO feuded a whole year and sucked up the entire show from the US title to the WWE Championship even top guys like Shin, Randy Orton,and the returning D Bry

 

[Alpha Male]

also just because a Wrestler been wrestling for 11 years like people in NXT doesn't mean they should be given pushes soon as they get to SD or Raw it makes certain people look bad to lose to someone in "development"

it's one of the most backwards things i have ever seen.

every time someone from NXT debuts they come in like fukkin kane from 98. they squash guys right from the jump, it makes no sense.

the announce team always puts them over huge too.... "HE DOMINATED IN NXT!!!"...all but inferring that being on top in the minor leagues is somehow this super impressive feat.

if all the guys coming in from NXT are so tough then why aren't they the big leagues?

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Yeah, Lucha does it.

WWE is too political. They need more competition like in the WCW days.

They would've gave up on the Roman shyt years ago if NWO was still breathing down their necks.

And you better believe they wouldn't be making fun of marks if Goldberg was still putting up epic numbers on TNT

 

[Francis White]

The only way to get over is keep Roman the big dog off tv.
Apollo was doomed as soon they teamed him with Titus. He is the Tamina of Raw. Apollo on his own could do something. Dana isn’t that good and peaked already, she should be looking into her future endeavors soon.