Is It Ignorant To Not Believe In Some Sort Of Creator?

[RegB]

Who created the creator's creator? How can you say something can't come from nothing and then go ahead and say nothing created the creator.

Why not just skip that step altogether and say the universe was always here.

Thats what im saying bruh. I believe in god too but I never really got that aspect of things.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Ill admit, I wanted to completely write of the existence of God many of times, but the thought never settled properly. Being honest with myself, I just accepted that there is a higher power out there, not of faith or personal belief but out of necessity because it essentially defies fundamental logic otherwise

deism

 

[Fervid]

Lawrence Krauss - A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing - YouTube

Fascinating. Has anyone else read that book? Couple that with "The God Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger and you can't subscribe to any popular religion (unless, of course, you ignore everything)

When I watch a video like that, though, I do admit I feel something that I think some people are feeling while at church, or at "worship", etc.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Fascinating. Has anyone else read that book?

Yes, and there are some critical flaws with it:

1. He never explains where 'quantum-mechanical laws' come from.

2. He never defines what 'nothing' is.

3. 'Vacuum-states' are arrangements of 'physical stuff', i.e., 'fields', when there should be an absence of those same fields to truly be considered 'nothing'.

Stenger was a difficult read. Krauss just seems, angry, but easier to read/digest. Someone with more background on this would be able to give a better critique as this is beyond my education.




EDIT: Here ya' go: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/b...-from-nothing-by-lawrence-m-krauss.html?_r=5&
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[the cac mamba]

how can the Universe possibly come from nothing?

why do i have to explain how the universe got here if religious people dont have to explain how god got here

believing in a creator with man-like traits and human attibutes is just

 

[Kitsune]

deism

I guess Im a Deist and a Theist at the same time in a way, cuz one is just grounded on pure common sense; the other stems from taking that understanding and trying to associate it with a particular religion that you deem to be the most reasonable and probable, which in my case would be Christianity and the deity of Jesus Christ.

 

[Kitsune]

why do i have to explain how the universe got here if religious people dont have to explain how god got here

believing in a creator with man-like traits and human attibutes is just

Well primarily because from the atheisitic point of view, you must adopt the belief of naturalism; which is the belief that the natural world, as explained by scientific laws, is all that exists and that there is no supernatural or spiritual planes that transcends the laws we are subjugated to.
With this belief youre pretty much stuck in a contradiction because the logic of the world insist that every effects requires a cause and vice versa which supports the fact that its impossible for something to arise from nothing and unfortunatley, thats a corner stone belief in atheism.

 

[the cac mamba]

Well primarily because from the atheisitic point of view, you must adopt the belief of naturalism; which is the belief that the natural world, as explained by scientific laws, is all that exists and that there is no supernatural or spiritual planes that transcends it.
Youre pretty much stuck in a contradiction because the logic of the world insist that every effects requires a cause and vice versa which supports the fact that its impossible for something to arise from nothing and unfortunatley, thats a corner stone belief in atheism.

id rep this if i could

my belief is that the 'cause' is past our comprehension, and might always be. but its certainly not contained within the pages of some fukkin story book thats been around for 2 or 3 thousand years

 

[upthere]

Its ignorant to believe we have the answers given how young we as a species are.

Yes its productive to share ideas, theories, and beliefs--- but it can be detrimental when ppl claim their "faith" as "fact" and shyt on other people and their beliefs.

Even if you dont believe in deities, you can still believe in a creator-- its just a matter of how you define the creator(s)

 

[Kitsune]

id rep this if i could

my belief is that the 'cause' is past our comprehension, and might always be. but its certainly not contained within the pages of some fukkin story book thats been around for 2 or 3 thousand years

I guess thats where the whole thing of faith comes in to play. I mean I believe in God out of pure common sense, the part of faith to me pretty surroundd which religion you choose to direct this belief toward. Some choose Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism etc etc etc, but it all essentially stems from the that person believing in a Higher Power.
The Abrahamic religions always seemed the most rational to me so I naturally leaned toward there. After learning about the relationship between them the their main differences I decided to accept the deity of Jesus Christ., In other words Christianity.

 

[88m3]

I'm guessing op meant arrogant