Is HBO a boxing network, or a boxing promoter ala PBC?

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Just the nature of the business. :manny:


Most def I get that but funny how everyone was mentioning the Ali act when pbc was starting to get off it's feet yet I have yet to see a fighter complain about Haymon. If anything the fighter's have always mentioned that Haymon has their best interests at heart and I believe them.


How many fighters have complained about hbo? How many times has the Ali act been mentioned w them? :mjpls:
 

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Most def I get that but funny how everyone was mentioning the Ali act when pbc was starting to get off it's feet yet I have yet to see a fighter complain about Haymon. If anything the fighter's have always mentioned that Haymon has their best interests at heart and I believe them.


How many fighters have complained about hbo? How many times has the Ali act been mentioned w them? :mjpls:


Krack, you my negga and I gotta tell you this fam. Haymon paid for the funeral of some guy's family member just because he was sparring with PBC fighters. Haymon actually gave him a check of around 5k to cover other expenses. WHen these dudes loving Al, it's not just business. The stories my dude told me about Arum and Pacman would make for a good movie. HBO and the other likes know those things cuz gyms talk. Neggas been saying things about how they were getting robbed and forced to sign contracts without reading it. Look at Crawford for example. Dude is gettting jobbed and he's just docile about it. B Hop though made his own bed. He knows he fukked up which is why he was caping for FLoyd so hard vs Manny on ESPN.

Nobody complains about HBO and any otherr networks/promoter/manager but "hey, PBC is bad for boxing." Any black male that openly supports HBO is either clueless or docile. No other way around it.
 

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Krack, you my negga and I gotta tell you this fam. Haymon paid for the funeral of some guy's family member just because he was sparring with PBC fighters. Haymon actually gave him a check of around 5k to cover other expenses. WHen these dudes loving Al, it's not just business. The stories my dude told me about Arum and Pacman would make for a good movie. HBO and the other likes know those things cuz gyms talk. Neggas been saying things about how they were getting robbed and forced to sign contracts without reading it. Look at Crawford for example. Dude is gettting jobbed and he's just docile about it. B Hop though made his own bed. He knows he fukked up which is why he was caping for FLoyd so hard vs Manny on ESPN.

Nobody complains about HBO and any otherr networks/promoter/manager but "hey, PBC is bad for boxing." Any black male that openly supports HBO is either clueless or docile. No other way around it.


I believe it look at Paul Williams dude says Haymon calls him everyday and gives him a check for flying out to schools n talking to kids. Yeah real bad for boxing :francis:
 

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Krack, you my negga and I gotta tell you this fam. Haymon paid for the funeral of some guy's family member just because he was sparring with PBC fighters. Haymon actually gave him a check of around 5k to cover other expenses. WHen these dudes loving Al, it's not just business. The stories my dude told me about Arum and Pacman would make for a good movie. HBO and the other likes know those things cuz gyms talk. Neggas been saying things about how they were getting robbed and forced to sign contracts without reading it. Look at Crawford for example. Dude is gettting jobbed and he's just docile about it. B Hop though made his own bed. He knows he fukked up which is why he was caping for FLoyd so hard vs Manny on ESPN.

Nobody complains about HBO and any otherr networks/promoter/manager but "hey, PBC is bad for boxing." Any black male that openly supports HBO is either clueless or docile. No other way around it.

I got a feeling T-Craw will be straight. BATB never had a problem with $ and HBO
 

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I got a feeling T-Craw will be straight. BATB never had a problem with $ and HBO


oh really ? BATB and T Craw are on the same boat. Docile fighters who don't mind getting jobbed outta money. Bradley did not rematch Pac right after, but when the rematch was called he got 4 mils less than what he was supposed to make. Because they're not openly complaining, it doesn't mean they not getting violated.

Broner is right though. Lotta fighters don't even know what a percentage is. How can they not be jobbed ? T CRaw still has his moms living in the hood talking about he waiting for a big break to get her out :heh:
 

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oh really ? BATB and T Craw are on the same boat. Docile fighters who don't mind getting jobbed outta money. Bradley did not rematch Pac right after, but when the rematch was called he got 4 mils less than what he was supposed to make. Because they're not openly complaining, it doesn't mean they not getting violated.

Bradley didn't play the Pac extension right I'll give you that. But he hasn't had a purse under $1.5MM in a while. He also had to cave to take $1.9 vs Rios. 'Twas a sad day when the BadAss re-signed with Top Rank.
 

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I think the reason some of the other promoters and networks have gone at Haymon and PBC is because he represents a shift in the guard. Haymon is empowering the fighters, giving them control over their career, and more control over their finances. The guys that have been going at him play the fighter needs a promoter to make it to the top game. I don't know if Arum is cheating his fighters like Don King was, but he certainly is on the "I get you fights, so you play by my rules" motto.

At some level, we need a best of both worlds, a major reason I was hoping Schaefer would show up at PBC. PBC does a great job making their fighters happy and giving them control over their careers. Definitely better than the other promoter's who dictate terms to their fighters. The other promoter's by playing by those rules have such an investment in each fighter that they build up and promote their fighter's better than PBC. PBC really needs that, start to build fighters up, set up fights with more career defining intentions, and start to build momentum of a plan on how to really mold fighters careers. That is one of the few things I think PBC is lacking right now and would be a major blow to other promoter's. I think they already feel threatened enough by Haymon they are scared that they were once the powerful old guard that ran the industry and that could change.

If Haymon has everything dialed in, it becomes less about what the promoter's will do for the fighters, but rather what the fighters want to do for themselves. You can see that is working in that every report from fighters say that Haymon gives you a list of your options and you get to pick what you want. So far I don't think that has been as effective as if they had someone there to help push or talk with fighters more about building towards something bigger (if they do I hadn't heard about it and it doesn't seemed to be employed heavily). Right now it seems like fights are one offs and a lot of fighters are taking easier career paths than if they were pushed a bit or convinced of why something would be better for them.

The reality is I do criticize PBC because they are not perfect, just like HBO or Showtime is not perfect. You can see that PBC has the opportunity to be what we all have been hoping for - more access to fights, more active fighters, better matchups, and no cross promotional/network divides to keep us from missing out on great fights. Obviously Haymon and his investors have a plan in place to target these opportunities. I think the criticism that goes towards PBC is that it has been a slow go so far, but we should know better, boxing is too politically aligned that any changes were going to take time and have to gain momentum that put the people holding the sport back into a position where they had to change for their own survival.
 

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I think Schaef dog is waiting in the cut for a reason. I think season 2 of PBC is gonna be better than season 1 as well. I'm watching PBL vs ryu whatever. You'd def think they were his promoter :heh:
 
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