Is HBO a boxing network, or a boxing promoter ala PBC?

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The answer is easy. HBO is a promoter as well because they manage and promote fighters. The bad part is they are very protective and very insecure about their business model and their fighters.

The spin they'd put on some things is mind blowing lol.
 

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The answer is easy. HBO is a promoter as well because they manage and promote fighters. The bad part is they are very protective and very insecure about their business model and their fighters.

The spin they'd put on some things is mind blowing lol.

I disagree. Who do they manage?


And every network "promotes" fighters breh...especially the ones who fight exclusively on their network. That's what you're supposed to do.


We never considered Showtime a promoter when they were promoting the hell out of Floyd for years. Reason being, they have a vested interest in him due to the exclusive contract they had.


I do agree with your 3rd sentence though about them being very insecure about their business model and exclusive network fighters though. They are more biased than Showtime has EVER been imo
 

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I disagree. Who do they manage?


And every network "promotes" fighters breh...especially the ones who fight exclusively on their network. That's what you're supposed to do.


We never considered Showtime a promoter when they were promoting the hell out of Floyd for years. Reason being, they have a vested interest in him due to the exclusive contract they had.


I do agree with your 3rd sentence though about them being very insecure about their business model and exclusive network fighters though. They are more biased than Showtime has EVER been imo


Fair reply
 

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I disagree. Who do they manage?


And every network "promotes" fighters breh...especially the ones who fight exclusively on their network. That's what you're supposed to do.


We never considered Showtime a promoter when they were promoting the hell out of Floyd for years. Reason being, they have a vested interest in him due to the exclusive contract they had.


I do agree with your 3rd sentence though about them being very insecure about their business model and exclusive network fighters though. They are more biased than Showtime has EVER been imo


telling a nikka he has to move up in weight and fight x fighter is managing him breh honestly I would be more :usure:

So they manager & promoter :mjpls:

Aren't there laws against that :mjpls:


I don't mind because I think Ward is the only fighter that can beat that racist demon but it's clear as day hbo doesn't have his best interest here. So they acting as both yet don't give a fukk about the fighter. :mjpls:



How many pbc fighters have been told they have to move up and face somebody :sas1:
 

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They are a network that is in the boxing business that promotes their business.

I think they cause confusion because the aggressively promote their business and don't try to subtly hide it, which can blur the lines. I do believe HBO is in the boxing business first and foremost. They have a great track record of being good for boxing. They have put of decades of great fights, have pushed for great fights, but because they do have power and control they have pushed their own agenda as well. This type of business plan isn't limited to just boxing or HBO.

Funny because I was listening to my local sports radio and they were doing a segment on minor league baseball and I can see some parallels. The baseball team is their business, but they have to rely on heavy marketing to get people interested. HBO has a very good product, but it doesn't necessarily sell itself like the NFL, they have to create their own hype to get people to show up.

They also IMO put on the best televised product. My biggest complaint of PBC (and I have been consistent with this) is I actually wish their broadcasts were less neutral and more promotion based. The basis of PBC, the fighters, and Haymon may be manager/promotion based, but I feel like their product is neutral and a bit sterile. To me where HBO has succeeded is making it feel like their shows are events and you are tuning into something special. Now of course they are subject to hyperbole and their own self-aggrandizing rhetoric.

This is where Jim Lampley comes in, he is not the most knowledgeable or critical lead announcer (Bernstein is far better), but in terms of managing a broadcast from a marketing perspective and creating an event atmosphere, IMO Lampley is the best I have ever heard for boxing. They have balanced that with other credible on air personalities. Manny Steward was great and probably my favorite technical analyst, I enjoyed Foreman as well, sometimes you had to roll your eyes, but he was good in a Charles Barkley type way. You didn't always agree or knew if he believed what he was saying, but he was entertaining and had plenty of gems. Today, I think RJJ does a great job and is my current favorite analyst from a fighter perspective. Personally I was a fan of Merchant because he never seemed to sell out. Love him or hate him he gave his opinion and stood by it. I like that in a reporter. When Max was hired I loved it, because anybody who knew Max (intentionally bringing boxing to Around The Horn, his raps, and his radio show), knew the guy was a true die hard fan within the industry and got his dream job. However, lately I have been feeling he has been towing the company line too much, rather than play devil's advocate a bit more like Merchant.

Tying it back to PBC, they have the best stable of fighters, the most neutral telecast, the broadest reach of networks, but I still feel something is missing. You never feel that their commentary is anything but average, their presentation is fairly average, and their intro's/ring walks/fighter introductions are pretty bland. If I had my way I would take the sensibility of PBC, but add some of HBO's marketing flair. For PBC that would have been mimicking something more like Showtime, which I am surprised they haven't done more of.
 

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That's why I agree with damn near everything Floyd said in that interview about black fighters.

It's clear as day who gets the easier road with them.

kkkov is a good fighter but his best W is a 50 yr old fighter n look at his resume before Bhop :francis:

97g been a middleweight since Jada was asking why nikkas push pounds & powder and why bush knock down the towers. :francis: no rush for him to move up tho even tho he said he has no problems fighting at 168 but hbo would rather he wait around for jr middleweights no rush, no contract stating he must move up.

hbo acts as manager n promoter but if you have that melalin your ride is going to be tougher. :beli:
 

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That's why I agree with damn near everything Floyd said in that interview about black fighters.

It's clear as day who gets the easier road with them.

kkkov is a good fighter but his best W is a 50 yr old fighter n look at his resume before Bhop :francis:

97g been a middleweight since Jada was asking why nikkas push pounds & powder and why bush knock down the towers. :francis: no rush for him to move up tho even tho he said he has no problems fighting at 168 but hbo would rather he wait around for jr middleweights no rush, no contract stating he must move up.

hbo acts as manager n promoter but if you have that melalin your ride is going to be tougher. :beli:


People forget how they used to dog the fukk out of B-Hop and Floyd after wins like goddamn wouldn't even let these nikkas thank they peoples without getting bombarded by drunk Merchant.
 

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People forget how they used to dog the fukk out of B-Hop and Floyd after wins like goddamn wouldn't even let these nikkas thank they peoples without getting bombarded by drunk Merchant.

Breh don't even get me started on Bhop they've been trying to see him get his equilibrium tossed in the bushes for damn near 2 decades :pacspit:

You would think Floyd was a Showtime fighter but the way the announcers were acting in the Baldomir fight :stopitslime:
 
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HBO themselves? Are a network and promoting fighters on their network is their main game like showtime

For management of the fighters lobbying for promotions on the networks, aren't those handled by the like of Top Rank, Golden Boy, RNS, and others?

But I guess its muddy with the commentators and promotions, since biases can be seen.
 

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people really talking about jim lampley

pbc has terrible commentating

the garcia/guerrero dudes were the worst thus far
 

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HBO is a network. Period.
As a network their bottom line is trying to get as many viewers as possible and as such they tend to impose undue influence on fighters and promoters to put on the matches that HBO wants regardless of what the fighter/promoter would rather do.
 
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