Is Draymond a glorified Bismack Biyombo?

[Professor Emeritus]

I mean Rodman was notoriously a freak strength wise by all accounts despite his weight. I don't know their bench pressing stats but he was not getting pushed around. And he was much more athletic than Draymond to boot. No need to mention Big Ben I guess, he was the full deal.

Dray just doesn't have the athleticism to stay with Shaq like that. He'd have as much chance as Kenyon Martin or those types did back then.

I'm still waiting for the examples of Draymond being pushed around. You're literally just repeating narratives.

Draymond couldn't guard Shaq for a whole game, but neither could Rodman. In spot duty he could do it

Why should Draymond only get compared to players who are nowhere near his equal defensively?

 

[StatUS]

I'm still waiting for the examples of Draymond being pushed around. You're literally just repeating narratives.

Draymond couldn't guard Shaq for a whole game, but neither could Rodman. In spot duty he could do it

Why should Draymond only get compared to players who are nowhere near his equal defensively?

Shaq pushed everyone around. Do you somehow think Draymond weighing 100 pounds less wouldn't get the same treatment?

Plus nobody can guard Shaq realistically to shut him down. The two guys you posted had big moments guarding him to help teams win Playoff series.

I'm saying I don't think Draymond is that guy. He's not the defensive rebounder those two are to keep Shaq off the board and he's not as athletic to keep up over a full game.

Dray's a great defender but if prime Shaq is in the league the Warriors today are splurging for a big man or else.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Shaq pushed everyone around. Do you somehow think Draymond weighing 100 pounds less wouldn't get the same treatment?

No, he'd get the same treatment as anyone else. If your premise is "Shaq is unguardable", then that's a different thread. But, again, more mythologizing.

Plus nobody can guard Shaq realistically to shut him down.

Nobody said Draymond was going to shut Shaq down.

He's not the defensive rebounder those two are to keep Shaq off the board and he's not as athletic to keep up over a full game.

Draymond is an absolutely elite defensive rebounder. It was one of his main scouting report highlights coming into the NBA. He's had to sacrifice his offensive boards in the league because he plays up top so much, and due to his shifting defensive responsibilities he's not stat-padding the easy boards as much, but he's every bit the defensive rebounder those other two are.

Career defensive rebounding #'s in the postseason:

Wallace: 7.6 rpg in 35 minutes
Draymond: 7.2 rpg in 35 minutes
Rodman: 6.2 rpg in 28 minutes

 

[Professor Emeritus]

he's not as athletic to keep up over a full game.

I had to break this one off special cause it was so unwarrented. When have you seen Draymond getting fatigued? He plays every bit as many minutes as the other two do, and he still has his legs late in games.


I watched Draymond play 47 minutes putting up 32-15-9 in Game 7 of the Finals and still have enough legs to get up there and put LeBron on the ground for the Cavs' final play of the game. How many players in the entire NBA have this kind of strength after 47 minutes?





That was his 103rd game of the season. He played 35 minutes/game in the regular season, 38 minutes/game in the playoffs including carrying the team for 7 games with Curry out, then 40 minutes/game in the Finals and was about 2 plays away from being Finals MVP. So where are you justified claiming he's not athletic enough to keep up?

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Brandon Bass >>> this nikka

 

[StatUS]

No, he'd get the same treatment as anyone else. If your premise is "Shaq is unguardable", then that's a different thread. But, again, more mythologizing.





Nobody said Draymond was going to shut Shaq down.






Draymond is an absolutely elite defensive rebounder. It was one of his main scouting report highlights coming into the NBA. He's had to sacrifice his offensive boards in the league because he plays up top so much, and due to his shifting defensive responsibilities he's not stat-padding the easy boards as much, but he's every bit the defensive rebounder those other two are.

Career defensive rebounding #'s in the postseason:

Wallace: 7.6 rpg in 35 minutes
Draymond: 7.2 rpg in 35 minutes
Rodman: 6.2 rpg in 28 minutes

We not talking about Draymond getting boards over stretch 4s and small ball 5s. Wallace and Rodman were getting 9 to 10 Defensive boards while guarding Shaq in series.

And I didn't say Dray didn't have stamina he's just not athletically gifted enough to guard Shaq for big chunks of games at his size like Rodman and Ben were.

Like I said he's more Kenyon Martin then Ben Wallace when it would come to Shaq.