Instead of chasing big body weight numbers, chase this (the GOAT physique metric)

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Weight to waist ratio

You cannot cheat this metric. If you are legitimately putting on lean mass without getting fat, this number should increase over time for a given body weight

Looking back at my weight/waist history, my worst was when I was 218lbs and a 37" waist (5.89). My best was during my cut last year when I was 180 @ 28.5 (6.32). It does skew higher when you get leaner but that's kind of the fukking point- you shouldn't be carrying more bodyfat than you have to if staying right for the summer is the agenda. Like I said the real key is to look at the ratio for a given body weight over time. I had 2 readings at 193- in February 2013 I had a 32" waist at that weight; this February I had a 31" waist at that weight. In the future I'd love to be at 193 @ 30.

Also key to note my weight hasn't changed much in the offseason in 4 years, but I'm way stronger.

So that's how you should be looking at it if body composition is the goal. "What am I getting for this weight gain"? If you put more weight on the scale than you do on the bar over a period of time you're hustling backwards.

 

[Serious]

You can do both.
I'm probably leaner than you and I'm at 200lbs. I easily post pics too

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

You can do both.
I'm probably leaner than you and I'm at 200lbs. I easily post pics too

I wouldn't doubt it....everyone is on their own journey

I just hate to see people get fat for no reason

 

[Gold]

Fukk all that, its bulking season and you cant stop me from hitting 300

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

When summer time comes dont panic to me

 

[Mastamimd]

I'm at about 6 or so. Trying to stay right around there. Honestly I put on some weight but lost it recently. I think I'm gonna shoot for 200. But I gotta be more consistent.

 

[Serious]

I wouldn't doubt it....everyone is on their own journey

I just hate to see people get fat for no reason

I misinterpreted your initial statement. I actually agree with what you said.

I'm not into the flyby logic of bulking and cutting anymore. I've gotten way too sick, too many times to be doing that shyt.
I was just stating you can be leaned out at a heavier weight, after years of conditioning.

This is onpar with the evidence to support body set points which is natures way of increasing your muscle density, size, strength and weight over time

In a world of abundance, a prudent lifestyle and thus cognitive control (i.e., ‘from instinct to intellect’) [50] are preconditions of efficient biological control, a stable body weight, and thus maintenance of a set point. This idea is true even in those people who may have an efficient intake or metabolism of food energy

Is there evidence for a set point that regulates human body weight?

Body set points >>>>> Bulking and cutting

Here's an example of my progression since I started working out in 12th grade.
Initially I was a 130lbs at 17, at 5'9/5'10.

2008: 130lbs
early 2009: 150lbs
summer 2009: 155-160lbs
2010: 160-164lbs
2011: 164-168lbs
2012: 168-172lbs
2013: 172-176lbs
2014: 176-180lbs
2015: 180-186lbs
2016: 186-190lbs
2017: 190-200lbs
Crazy how I literally woke up when I turned 26, starting hoovering around 200lbs. That grown man strength.

All this can be achieved with low body fat percentage.

side note: When i used to bulk and cut, I used to sit on the toilet shytting out my gains and getting pissed at all the money I spent on food. Not fun, and also counterproductive to my style of efficiency. I try to be as fit as possible while putting in the least amount of work / maintenance / consuming food.

 

[CarbonBraddock]

I misinterpreted your initial statement. I actually agree with what you said.

I'm not into the flyby logic of bulking and cutting anymore. I've gotten way too sick, too many times to be doing that shyt.
I was just stating you can be leaned out at a heavier weight, after years of conditioning.

This is onpar with the evidence to support body set points which is natures way of increasing your muscle density, size, strength and weight over time

Is there evidence for a set point that regulates human body weight?

Body set points >>>>> Bulking and cutting

Here's an example of my progression since I started working out in 12th grade.
Initially I was a 130lbs at 17, at 5'9/5'10.

2008: 130lbs
early 2009: 150lbs
summer 2009: 155-160lbs
2010: 160-164lbs
2011: 164-168lbs
2012: 168-172lbs
2013: 172-176lbs
2014: 176-180lbs
2015: 180-186lbs
2016: 186-190lbs
2017: 190-200lbs
Crazy how I literally woke up when I turned 26, starting hoovering around 200lbs. That grown man strength.

All this can be achieved with low body fat percentage.

side note: When i used to bulk and cut, I used to sit on the toilet shytting out my gains and getting pissed at all the money I spent on food. Not fun, and also counterproductive to my style of efficiency. I try to be as fit as possible while putting in the least amount of work / maintenance / consuming food.

how are you putting on weight if you are not bulking or do you mean just eating at a steady couple hundred above maintenance for a long time to gain lean mass?

 

[Serious]

how are you putting on weight if you are not bulking or do you mean just eating at a steady couple hundred above maintenance for a long time to gain lean mass?

Thing is, I've been eating the same for years. I don't take protein shakes or anything. Just real food. I don't overeat because then that upsets my stomach. The only real difference is that I'm drinking way more water than ever.

Just comes back to consistency and body set points....

 

[CarbonBraddock]

Thing is, I've been eating the same for years. I don't take protein shakes or anything. Just real food. I don't overeat because then that upsets my stomach. The only real difference is that I'm drinking way more water than ever.

Just comes back to consistency and body set points....

how many calories per day at 200 lbs to maintain for you?

 

[Serious]

how many calories per day at 200 lbs to maintain for you?

not much I'll try to count tomorrow.....

probably anywhere between 2000-2400

I lot of days I don't really eat much.
For example today:
2 packets of oatmeal
1 glass of v8
1 drumstick(chicken)
4oz of mashed pototoes
a glass of chocolate milk
1 banana
1 cup of yogurt
and a ton of water

 

[Shadow King]

My shyt terrible

 

[Broad Street Bully]

not much I'll try to count tomorrow.....

probably anywhere between 2000-2400

I lot of days I don't really eat much.
For example today:
2 packets of oatmeal
1 glass of v8
1 drumstick(chicken)
4oz of mashed pototoes
a glass of chocolate milk
1 banana
1 cup of yogurt
and a ton of water

1 drumstick?

It’s working for you tho so I can’t say shyt. I might have to follow you on some shyt tho. Your stats are what I’m aiming at.

 

[Benefited]

not much I'll try to count tomorrow.....

probably anywhere between 2000-2400

I lot of days I don't really eat much.
For example today:
2 packets of oatmeal
1 glass of v8
1 drumstick(chicken)
4oz of mashed pototoes
a glass of chocolate milk
1 banana
1 cup of yogurt
and a ton of water

Breh you could put about half of that into one shake

I can't and don't eat much either,so I find shakes to be quick and convienient and you can put weight gain powders in them. Its a nice drink to go with meals with alot of calories that you don't have to force down your throat, like trying to eat alot of calories of food per day.

 

[Biscayne]

Good thread. I don't do the bulking and cutting thing anymore either. I'm all about the fasted workouts and trying to gain as much mass and strength without gaining fat.