India surpass UK & France to become worlds 5th largest economy; march of Asian economies continues

[Turk]

I am STRONGLY anti-racism and I've called out Indian culture out on that before. But saying "there is a problem with racism in Indian culture" and saying "Indians are racist" are two completely different things. I can identify an issue as a problem without stereotyping every damn Indian as being the same.

And your accusations of cultural relativism are bullshyt. I'm not saying that racism is okay in any sense. I'm just explaining WHY people get away with shyt without others calling them out on it - because in the culture it's just rude to call out people in public. It doesn't mean that they cape for racism, it's the same way they respond to almost all bad behavior, including things that are bad by their own standards. If you really need a fukking analogy to make sense of it, look at how ingrained the "don't snitch" rule is in some cultures, to the point that gangbangers getting away with all sorts of shyt without getting reported for it. I'm not saying that it's okay, it just is what it is, and the fact that someone doesn't snitch on someone on their block doesn't mean they condone that behavior.

Where I have stereotyped Indians as all being racist though? This whole conversation started after you quoted me and I explained the bias against Indians by some posters on here. Nothing more, nothing less. I've never claimed that all Indians are racist, so that's a fallacy. Indians do have problem with racism and it's blatantly obvious.

I never stated that you were saying racism is okay, but your previous post did attempt to excuse it by using cultural relativism. Using street culture as comparison is a horrible example. Street culture is something that can be accessed by anyone. You can be Black, White, Asian, etc and participate in street culture. Indian culture is race specific and group specific. Also, street culture is centered around illegality and illicit behaviors.

You got receipts for 600,000,000+ Indians being racist towards Africans.

Yes, this is something the minority of Indians have engaged in, because the VAST majority of Indians have never even interacted with an African person. Literally the only Black people they ever have heard of are Obama (who is quite popular) and West Indian cricketers, with batters like Chris Gayle being among the popular players in India, to the point where Gayle is bigger there than he is in Jamaica. Watching cricket is all that most Indians know about Black people, to the point where if you Black they assume you are from the West Indies, while they'll ask if your White friend is African because they associate "Africa" with the "South Africa" cricket team, which is mostly White.

Even in Delhi or Mumbai, where there is an African communitt that's been there for a long time and certain tensions exist, it's a minority of people that cause real problems. And India has so many damn people everywhere you go that even if only 0.1% of people are causing problems, 0.1% of the 10,000 people you walked by that day is a big number. And that does suck about being African in India, I ain't going to deny that.

I've had people get pissed off at me for being honest about prejudice against Africans existing in India, and now I got people pissed off at me for saying that not every Indian that way?

The vast majority of East Asians have never interacted with Africans, yet anti-black sentiments exist within their culture

The vast majority of Arabs have never interacted with Africans, yet anti-black sentiments exist within their culture

And go on and listing groups have have little to no interaction with Black people, yet have negative sentiments about Black people. You don't have to interact with someone to have negative opinions about them. And now you're speaking from the perspective of an Indian....are you Indian?

I find it quite ironic how you dismiss the numerous negative interactions that Africans continuously have with the Indians and claim it is the minority of people doing that, while propping up a few examples of Black athletes being welcomed by what could be called a "minority" of Indians.

Cricket is the most popular sport in India so it's no surprise a famous cricket athlete would get shown love. Athletes live in their own little bubble. Cognitive dissonance is usually present regarding Black athletes and racist fans as well.

But at the end of the day, the fact remains that Africans get discriminated by Indians in India and regularly have to deal with their racism. This is a fact you cannot deny. You can Juelz it however you like and say it's the minority of Indians doing it, but the fact that it's a regular occurrence for Africans displays a deep rooted issue within Indian society. You won't find examples of Africans doing the same, en masse, to Indians on the African continent.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Nothing in your post refutes anything that I've presented. You're using anecdotal evidence to try and wash away the continuous and repeated instances of racism perpetuated by Indians against those of African descent.



What a fallacious argument you've created using a strawman. Why would I speak on Idi Amin when he has jack shyt to do with Kenya who I referenced in my previous post? On top of that the Idi Amin expulsion is from decades ago. Indians in Uganda have recovered to the point where they wish to be recognized as a tribe in Uganda.



Your caping for Indians is absurd. The Juelzing in this post is ridiculous. You refuse to blame these Indians for allowing racism to be perpetuated in their country. You're really trying to use the excuse of "cultural relativism" to excuse them of it?

And this is not something the "minority" of Indians are doing. I can fill this thread with videos and articles of repeated and continuous instances of racism from Indian's all over their country. And every African may not face levels of racism as stringent as the ones presented in my previous videos, but they are still facing mass prejudice and discrimination. Remaining silent and refusing to speak on the actions of your fellow countrymen and abstaining from calling them out makes you just as bad as the Indians who are perpetuating that racism. They have the chance and prime opportunity to do something about it yet refuse to do so and allow these instances to keep happening. If you're not racist and don't want to be perceived as racist....then do something about the racism in your country.

You've got the wrong poster. No where in this thread did I try to paint all Indians with one brush. In my initial post in this thread I merely explained why Indians get spoken so badly about on here.

Let's be real here for a second my guy....every time this issue is brought up y'all bring up the same old stories and videos. If it were a real problem you'd have fresh reports to offer up....the fact of the matter is that it ISN'T happening.

If Africans feel left out and ostracized living in India, that sucks but so what? So do I when im there....it's normal. India is a weird place. You go from one state to another and everything changes - food, language, lifestyle, everything...I'm South Indian, do you think I can just go up to a group of Punjabis and enjoy "Indian solidarity?" There is no Indian solidarity breh. An Indian only considers you his brother if you speak the same language. Other than that there is no unity. All that "desi" shyt is a farce....I realized that a long, long time ago that's why I don't fukk with Indian people like that, because they look at me funny the same way they may look at you funny. So don't feel some type of way about it.

 

[Geek Nasty]

NO disrespect to Indians, they're just trying to get paid, but our country has sold it's college education system to the highest bidder. Americans can't afford to even go to grad school any more so the tech programs are majority foreign students. We're paying the cost for treating colleges "like a business" and globalizing the education of our citizenry. There are way more high school educated Asian candidates, so if you make a free market decision, we LOSE.

Honestly, if colleges are taking any kinds of federal funding we need to have quotas implemented.

 

[Turk]

Let's be real here for a second my guy....every time this issue is brought up y'all bring up the same old stories and videos. If it were a real problem you'd have fresh reports to offer up....the fact of the matter is that it ISN'T happening.

Racist Attacks on Africans in India Hit Unprecedented Levels - Face2Face Africa
What drives Indians to be racist towards students from Africa
"The land of Gandhi can never be racist": is India in denial about its attitude to skin colour?
Racial attack in Noida: Racism is deeply entrenched in India, say African students
Cycling for change: Peter Ngugi's one-man quest to protest racism against Africans in India

This literally took 1 minute to google these articles, and they are all from this year

If Africans feel left out and ostracized living in India, that sucks but so what? So do I when im there....it's normal. India is a weird place. You go from one state to another and everything changes - food, language, lifestyle, everything...I'm South Indian, do you think I can just go up to a group of Punjabis and enjoy "Indian solidarity?" There is no Indian solidarity breh. An Indian only considers you his brother if you speak the same language. Other than that there is no unity. All that "desi" shyt is a farce....I realized that a long, long time ago that's why I don't fukk with Indian people like that, because they look at me funny the same way they may look at you funny. So don't feel some type of way about it.

I know you're Indian so you're going to cape for your people. Africans don't all see each other as brothers either. Africans have language disputes, tribal disputes, and etc. But yet somehow Africans manage to treat Indians humanely in Africa, but the flipside cannot be said.

 

[Cynic]

Sounds like Brazil

Without the fat asses, soccer skills and violence

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Racist Attacks on Africans in India Hit Unprecedented Levels - Face2Face Africa
What drives Indians to be racist towards students from Africa
"The land of Gandhi can never be racist": is India in denial about its attitude to skin colour?
Racial attack in Noida: Racism is deeply entrenched in India, say African students
Cycling for change: Peter Ngugi's one-man quest to protest racism against Africans in India

This literally took 1 minute to google these articles, and they are all from this year




I know you're Indian so you're going to cape for your people. Africans don't all see each other as brothers either. Africans have language disputes, tribal disputes, and etc. But yet somehow Africans manage to treat Indians humanely in Africa, but the flipside cannot be said.

There are Nigerian gangs in India, they deal drugs and have turf wars among themselves, the most recent one happened in a hospital in Delhi:

Nigerian Gang-War With Swords In Delhi Hospital, Staff Hid In Toilets

Obviously this isn't representative of all Africans living in India, but that's why it's dangerous to stereotype. You want to paint this picture where every African living in India is meek and feeble and in danger of racial violence when that isn't the case. But some Indians may look at stories like the above and let that paint a picture of Africans in their heads....the reality is that India is like anywhere else in that there are places where you might be safer than others, and sometimes some shyt may pop off....but I'm sorry breh the fact of the matter is that in comparison to so many other countries India has been one of the most tolerant and hospitable places in the world...they may not see you as a brother or kinfolk or some shyt like that, but Indian society has never been violent towards minorities. It's simply not the case. You'd be more in danger of getting jumped by a pack of monkeys in India than you would a bunch of Indians.

It's funny you say Indians are treated humanely in Africa, which I'm not disputing, but remember it was an African country that expelled it's Indian population. Has India ever done that to Africans? They've never done that to anyone. Instead the opposite is true, India lets everyone come through to live and do whatever they want to do, every time I go to India I see all types of different people there, some are there for school, some are there for medical needs, some are there on a spiritual retreat and live with Gurus, etc...and India is a poor, congested, dirty country....this is all true, but STILL people are attracted to it somehow. So to see dudes like you reduce it to just another place racist towards Africans is laughable. If I reduced an African country to whatever negative stereotype I could think of you wouldn't find it acceptable so stop being disingenuous. It got nothing to do with caping.

 

[Turk]

There are Nigerian gangs in India, they deal drugs and have turf wars among themselves, the most recent one happened in a hospital in Delhi:

Nigerian Gang-War With Swords In Delhi Hospital, Staff Hid In Toilets

Obviously this isn't representative of all Africans living in India, but that's why it's dangerous to stereotype. You want to paint this picture where every African living in India is meek and feeble and in danger of racial violence when that isn't the case. But some Indians may look at stories like the above and let that paint a picture of Africans in their heads....the reality is that India is like anywhere else in that there are places where you might be safer than others, and sometimes some shyt may pop off....but I'm sorry breh the fact of the matter is that in comparison to so many other countries India has been one of the most tolerant and hospitable places in the world...they may not see you as a brother or kinfolk or some shyt like that, but Indian society has never been violent towards minorities. It's simply not the case. You'd be more in danger of getting jumped by a pack of monkeys in India than you would a bunch of Indians.

It's funny you say Indians are treated humanely in Africa, which I'm not disputing, but remember it was an African country that expelled it's Indian population. Has India ever done that to Africans? They've never done that to anyone. Instead the opposite is true, India lets everyone come through to live and do whatever they want to do, every time I go to India I see all types of different people there, some are there for school, some are there for medical needs, some are there on a spiritual retreat and live with Gurus, etc...and India is a poor, congested, dirty country....this is all true, but STILL people are attracted to it somehow. So to see dudes like you reduce it to just another place racist towards Africans is laughable. If I reduced an African country to whatever negative stereotype I could think of you wouldn't find it acceptable so stop being disingenuous. It got nothing to do with caping.

I'm not stereotyping anything, all I've done is consistently presented the racism that Indians have perpetuated against Africans in India. That's one article compared to how many instances of continuous racism?
Where have I said every African living in India is meek and feeble? Here you go with the fallacious arguments. I've been consistent throughout this thread showcasing Indian racism, nothing more, nothing less.

I've already addressed the Idi Amin thing and it's funny it keeps being brought up considering it was decades ago. Every act of racism from Indian's that I've shown has been recent, I'm not reaching far back. And on top of this Indians in Uganda have since recovered from it and even wish to be recognized as a tribe within the country, so that issue is clearly behind them now.



And again with the fallacious arguments here. Nowhere in this thread have I stated that India or Indians are one particular thing whether it be racist or etc. I have maintained my initial point throughout this thread. Indians have a problem with racism against Black people. Does this mean all Indians are racist ? No, but it does mean there is a deep rooted issue within the society considering the fact that repeated instances keep occurring. And you are caping, but I understand that you're Indian and are going to defend your people.

 

[Hovsta]

You mean, other than the CEO of Google?

CEO of Microsoft

CEO of Adobe

CEO of Nokia

CEO of Symphony Technology

CEO of Cognizant Technology

CEO of SanDisk and Micron Technology

CEO of GlobalFoundries and former CEO of Motorola

CEO of NIO, board member of Microsoft, former CTO at Motorola and Cisco

Co-founder of Sun

Founder of Hotmail

Founding board member of Google and one of the big angel investors out there

CFO of Tesla

I will take my L but founder does not equal owner or CEO.

Also this still small compared to Asian and white business big wigs man these are facts.

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

I still don't view India as "Asia". It's like viewing Europe as part of "Asia" ...which technically it is.

I was always told India was a subcontinent, part of a tectonic plate that smashed into the Himalayan mountain range therefore not actually part of "Asia" proper.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I'm not stereotyping anything, all I've done is consistently presented the racism that Indians have perpetuated against Africans in India. That's one article compared to how many instances of continuous racism?
Where have I said every African living in India is meek and feeble? Here you go with the fallacious arguments. I've been consistent throughout this thread showcasing Indian racism, nothing more, nothing less.

I've already addressed the Idi Amin thing and it's funny it keeps being brought up considering it was decades ago. Every act of racism from Indian's that I've shown has been recent, I'm not reaching far back. And on top of this Indians in Uganda have since recovered from it and even wish to be recognized as a tribe within the country, so that issue is clearly behind them now.



And again with the fallacious arguments here. Nowhere in this thread have I stated that India or Indians are one particular thing whether it be racist or etc. I have maintained my initial point throughout this thread. Indians have a problem with racism against Black people. Does this mean all Indians are racist ? No, but it does mean there is a deep rooted issue within the society considering the fact that repeated instances keep occurring. And you are caping, but I understand that you're Indian and are going to defend your people.

So you want to handwave away the Ugandan Indian exile by saying it was decades ago, and that its okay now because Indians are back in Uganda and are even a tribe? That doesn't mean much, because Indians are largely self sufficient wherever they go, that is no great boon bestowed upon them by the Ugandans, tribe or no tribe. You can say I'm just caping for my people but the facts are Indians never did anything like that to Africans, and you wouldn't even be half as generous towards them if the inverse were true.

A couple of facts for you - India could have expelled the siddi population since they are a vulnerable minority, and they are Muslims to boot. But they didn't. And to begin with these African students are in India because their governments have made deals with the Indian government. Is that what Indians would be signing up for if they were racist? Why are African governments sending their young bright minds to India if it's such a racist hellhole for them like you are making it seem? Are they in a rush to leave? Because I've seen many of these African students in Bangalore and they didn't seem under duress to me. Fill me in.

Also, can you tell me how many Africans have been killed in India by racist mobs, or via any type of racially motivated attack? Ballpark figure, doesn't have to be exact. Thanks.

 

[Turk]

So you want to handwave away the Ugandan Indian exile by saying it was decades ago, and that its okay now because Indians are back in Uganda and are even a tribe? That doesn't mean much, because Indians are largely self sufficient wherever they go, that is no great boon bestowed upon them by the Ugandans, tribe or no tribe. You can say I'm just caping for my people but the facts are Indians never did anything like that to Africans, and you wouldn't even be half as generous towards them if the inverse were true.

A couple of facts for you - India could have expelled the siddi population since they are a vulnerable minority, and they are Muslims to boot. But they didn't. And to begin with these African students are in India because their governments have made deals with the Indian government. Is that what Indians would be signing up for if they were racist? Why are African governments sending their young bright minds to India if it's such a racist hellhole for them like you are making it seem? Are they in a rush to leave? Because I've seen many of these African students in Bangalore and they didn't seem under duress to me. Fill me in.

Also, can you tell me how many Africans have been killed in India by racist mobs, or via any type of racially motivated attack? Ballpark figure, doesn't have to be exact. Thanks.

I'm not hand-waving away the Ugandan exile. My point was whatever discrimination the Indians in Uganda faced in the past is not an issue, or does not at least appear to be an issue in modern times. Is there a continued history of Indian oppression and discrimination in Uganda today? No, the country appears to have moved forward and beyond that issue.

TBH idc about the siddi's and I know absolutely nothing about them...so they're irrelevant to me in this conversation. You appear to be more outraged at the examination of racism in India than the victims of racism itself. You're bending over backwards to brush off all the examples of clear cut racism, but won't call out the actual racism. As to why these Africans venture to India to seek an educational opportunity, idk. That's a question that can only be truly answered by those individuals. But from my experiences Africans will go damn near anywhere for educational advancement if their countries can't provide suitable means for them.

Idk how many # of Africans have been killed in India, so I can't answer. Ii think you'll be hard pressed to find raw data on this too. But racism isn't only counted in violence and violent attacks. Africans in India have cited examples of discrimination and prejudice in their day to day lives as well.

 

[EndDomination]

That will change pretty fast. China has managed to add hundreds of millions of Chinese to the middle class (and is still doing so at an unprecedented rate). The same will happen in China.

What they consider as "middle class" is an embarrassingly small amount (between $9k and $34k), and the inclusion is not being measured with any real accuracy.
The predictions themselves about the growth is also incredibly wide (850M people will be made middle class, with an income between like $16K and $160k), and is not controlled for any economic or socio-political issue.
India will continue to have immense poverty, the same as China, perhaps larger because of the hyperurbanization.

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

Yes and no. They are mostly frontline or mid management at best. The top dogs are all white and Asian.

Not hating they Indian brehs work hard but they aren’t leaders. India as a whole is money laundering central and corrupt. Add in way US mega corps are starting to send white collar jobs( yes I
Said white collar not call center jobs I mean engineers, bankers, corporate shyt) over there to dodge paying Americans livable wages.

Indians are Asian though

 

[Hovsta]

Indians are Asian though

You know damn well what I mean breh

 

[FSP]

Indians are Asian though

Stop it. Asian is a race.