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Well that's the thing, in addition to the fact that no solid causal link has been established between microplastic exposure and the ills you brought up (as far as I know), they don't even seem to correlate.

For example, it's only in 2019 that life expectancy in Europe stopped progressing.


It takes decades to impact life expectancy - if a lifetime of microplastic exposure takes an average of 5 years off your life, then it will take 70 years of exposure to see that full 5 year drop. Plus the drop can be hidden by other factors and improvements in health care - most of Europe didn't fully recover from war or have fully robust modern universal health care until the 1970s and 1980s, so the first people to benefit from that are still just in their 40s and 50s. It's quite possible that improvements in modern heatlh care have added 10-15 years to people's lives at the same time that microplastics and other negative chemical and additive exposures have taken 5-10 years away.

But the trend is apparent. White American life expectancies already peaked back in 2012. So you can't just play Pollyanna here. You don't have the slightest idea whether exposure to CURRENT microplastics levels, which is far higher than any previous generation, will take 1 year off of your life or 20 years.




We've been hooked on plastic for much longer than that.


Not really. Plastic exposure was still mild in the 1970s, and it increased dramatically in the 2000s. When I was growing up in the 1990s, people still mostly used paper shopping bags, drank soda out of cans not plastic bottles, and drank water out of their own tap. When you bought ketchup it was in a glass bottle, not plastic. You cooked most of your food in metal containers in the oven, not in plastic containers in the microwave.

There is WAY more plastic exposure in the last 25 years than in the 50 years before that.


"In the early 2000s, the amount of plastic waste we generated rose more in a single decade than it had in the previous 40 years." - National Geopraphic

"Nearly half the plastic ever produced has been manufactured since 2000." - The Guardian


Current levels of plastic exposure have only been around about 20 years, and young people are way more exposed than older people are.
 

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Even the coating they use in paper cups has plastic.

shyt is completely unavoidable.


My whole family switched to metal water bottles this year instead of plastic, and we drink nothing but tap water and sparkling water out of cans. We try to buy fruit bulk and always bring our own cloth bags.

But when I pack salad for lunch, it's hard to find anything other than plastic to pack it in. Milk cartons have a plastic liner even when you don't buy the plastic bottles. We try to avoid cooking with plastic whenever possible, but usually still store leftovers in plastic in the fridge. It is HARD to avoid.
 

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Boil your water and put it through a filter. Removes 85-90% of microplastics.


I just put this Electric Kettle in my amazon basket for later

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if you're not drinkin loose leaf tea from the beginning of time, you've BEEN pourin jelly on yaself :ufdup:
You're not even maximizing the benefit of tea with bags. the bags filter most of the nutrients: antioxidant, vitamins, and minerals :dahell:
 
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I was about to spazz out if yall was coming for my tea but I do capsules and loose herbs so I should be aight.
 

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It takes decades to impact life expectancy - if a lifetime of microplastic exposure takes an average of 5 years off your life, then it will take 70 years of exposure to see that full 5 year drop. Plus the drop can be hidden by other factors and improvements in health care - most of Europe didn't fully recover from war or have fully robust modern universal health care until the 1970s and 1980s, so the first people to benefit from that are still just in their 40s and 50s. It's quite possible that improvements in modern heatlh care have added 10-15 years to people's lives at the same time that microplastics and other negative chemical and additive exposures have taken 5-10 years away.

But the trend is apparent. White American life expectancies already peaked back in 2012. So you can't just play Pollyanna here. You don't have the slightest idea whether exposure to CURRENT microplastics levels, which is far higher than any previous generation, will take 1 year off of your life or 20 years.
Yes, you're pretty much right about the bolded and I was wrong. I realized it myself after posting but didn't want to go back and edit my post.

But that same exact point can be used when you imply a relationship between microplastics and the pretty recent downward trend in life expectancy.
No causal link has been established as far as I know and as you've shown in the quote above, a correlation can't be established neither.

It's even more salient for things like school level or mental illness. Many factors could explain all those points better than microplastics and research actually backs them.

So yeah, my take is that since we don't have any idea whether microplastic exposure shaves years off your life or even prolong it, and since it is extremely hard to avoid (especially when you take into account material conditions), I wouldn't worry too much about it. At least on an individual level.

Unless I should worry about mobile broadband too.

Not really. Plastic exposure was still mild in the 1970s, and it increased dramatically in the 2000s. When I was growing up in the 1990s, people still mostly used paper shopping bags, drank soda out of cans not plastic bottles, and drank water out of their own tap. When you bought ketchup it was in a glass bottle, not plastic. You cooked most of your food in metal containers in the oven, not in plastic containers in the microwave.

There is WAY more plastic exposure in the last 25 years than in the 50 years before that.


"In the early 2000s, the amount of plastic waste we generated rose more in a single decade than it had in the previous 40 years." - National Geopraphic

"Nearly half the plastic ever produced has been manufactured since 2000." - The Guardian


Current levels of plastic exposure have only been around about 20 years, and young people are way more exposed than older people are.
See above.
 

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It takes decades to impact life expectancy - if a lifetime of microplastic exposure takes an average of 5 years off your life, then it will take 70 years of exposure to see that full 5 year drop. Plus the drop can be hidden by other factors and improvements in health care - most of Europe didn't fully recover from war or have fully robust modern universal health care until the 1970s and 1980s, so the first people to benefit from that are still just in their 40s and 50s. It's quite possible that improvements in modern heatlh care have added 10-15 years to people's lives at the same time that microplastics and other negative chemical and additive exposures have taken 5-10 years away.

But the trend is apparent. White American life expectancies already peaked back in 2012. So you can't just play Pollyanna here. You don't have the slightest idea whether exposure to CURRENT microplastics levels, which is far higher than any previous generation, will take 1 year off of your life or 20 years.







Not really. Plastic exposure was still mild in the 1970s, and it increased dramatically in the 2000s. When I was growing up in the 1990s, people still mostly used paper shopping bags, drank soda out of cans not plastic bottles, and drank water out of their own tap. When you bought ketchup it was in a glass bottle, not plastic. You cooked most of your food in metal containers in the oven, not in plastic containers in the microwave.

There is WAY more plastic exposure in the last 25 years than in the 50 years before that.


"In the early 2000s, the amount of plastic waste we generated rose more in a single decade than it had in the previous 40 years." - National Geopraphic

"Nearly half the plastic ever produced has been manufactured since 2000." - The Guardian


Current levels of plastic exposure have only been around about 20 years, and young people are way more exposed than older people are.

Boil your water and put it through a filter. Removes 85-90% of microplastics.


Yes, you're pretty much right about the bolded and I was wrong. I realized it myself after posting but didn't want to go back and edit my post.

But that same exact point can be used when you imply a relationship between microplastics and the pretty recent downward trend in life expectancy.
No causal link has been established as far as I know and as you've shown in the quote above, a correlation can't be established neither.

It's even more salient for things like school level or mental illness. Many factors could explain all those points better than microplastics and research actually backs them.

So yeah, my take is that since we don't have any idea whether microplastic exposure shaves years off your life or even prolong it, and since it is extremely hard to avoid (especially when you take into account material conditions), I wouldn't worry too much about it. At least on an individual level.

Unless I should worry about mobile broadband too.


See above.
I read an article somewhat recently that you can remove the majority of microplastics from your blood by donating blood consistently, if you donate enough your body will replace it with freshly created blood that doesn't carry the microplastics...the only problem is that now the blood you donated is going into another person but at that point it's more important that they get the blood and the microplastics in it aren't a big deal, like if you had a traumatic injury.
 

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I read an article somewhat recently that you can remove the majority of microplastics from your blood by donating blood consistently, if you donate enough your body will replace it with freshly created blood that doesn't carry the microplastics...the only problem is that now the blood you donated is going into another person but at that point it's more important that they get the blood and the microplastics in it aren't a big deal, like if you had a traumatic injury.


Not a bad point. And of course the person getting the donated blood is going to get microplastic blood regardless of who donates.
 
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