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You know i respect you brother, but i cannot support the worship of a man.
Let us agree to worship one God who is transcendent in his reality and who is now as he has always been.



O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs.

-Surah An-Nisa', Ayah 171
 

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You know i respect you brother, but i cannot support the worship of a man.
Let us agree to worship one God who is transcendent in his reality and who is now as he has always been.



O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs.

-Surah An-Nisa', Ayah 171
God comprises both the uncreated and created

it’s a dogmatic line that kept me from heading completely toward Islam but rather back to the ancient faith

if you are of a mind for it I can explain how the concept of the trinity only came to be due to catholics (pagans) :jawalrus:
 

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Didn't Islamic countries had their own slave trade?
Compared with what is written in the OT the doctrines in the Qu’ran allow for cruel practices regarding slavery

my main qualms with Islam
 

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God comprises both the uncreated and created

it’s a dogmatic line that kept me from heading completely toward Islam but rather back to the ancient faith

if you are of a mind for it I can explain how the concept of the trinity only came to be due to catholics (pagans) :jawalrus:

Im all ears comrade. This is an arena for discussion
 
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Im all ears comrade. This is an arena for discussion
I’m with my gfs family as her father recently passed. When I’m back home I’ll give you a scholarly take on the development of Islam as a result of roman iconoclasm. Belief in God the father, lord of hosts belongs to no particular sect of people. No book can fully explain or comprehend the awesome wonder of god

as man all we can truly do is seek to draw nearer to him. Jesus or Isa is the closest to his character that has been known to men thus his anointment and veneration. Yet Jesus is to god as a body hair is to our person. God is beyond human flesh.
 

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Over 100,000 black people are being enslaved by Muslims in Mauritania
 

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I’m with my gfs family as her father recently passed. When I’m back home I’ll give you a scholarly take on the development of Islam as a result of roman iconoclasm. Belief in God the father, lord of hosts belongs to no particular sect of people. No book can fully explain or comprehend the awesome wonder of god

as man all we can truly do is seek to draw nearer to him. Jesus or Isa is the closest to his character that has been known to men thus his anointment and veneration. Yet Jesus is to god as a body hair is to our person. God is beyond human flesh.
Okay when you get back , in addition to your discussion

answer me whether you think
Jesus is Divine?Part of God?
Are Human beings Divine?Part of God?
Do you worship Jesus?
 

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It came from the pre-colonial Kongo Kingdom and was an artifact on display at the 'Kongo: Majesty and Power' exhibit at the Met Museum a few years ago.

https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/acko/hd_acko.htm

Art of the Kongo: Strong, Yet Intricate

Kongo: Power and Majesty - BSECS


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OP seems to think that Islam was the only mid-east religion present in West Africa before the transatlantic slave trade.

Here's a Kongo monarch wearing a crucifix.

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I didn't realize I had a history of keeping my foot on your neck. @MalickSyXShabbaz

You ducked out that other thread real quick without properly defending your faith.

I see why your a muslim. You're very lazy.
It's a very lazy religion.
 

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I didn't realize I had a history of keeping my foot on your neck. @MalickSyXShabbaz

You ducked out that other thread real quick without properly defending your faith.

I see why your a muslim. You're very lazy.
It's a very lazy religion.
There's no point in debating you. You believe that a man is the simultaneous son of God and God who died for your sins and was born from a virgin.

I simply have to ignore you
 

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There's no point in debating you. You believe that a man is the simultaneous son of God and God who died for your sins and was born from a virgin.

That's the Truth that the New Testament Canon reveals. And your own scriptures, which you yourself quoted to me, said Muslims are suppose to believe what was revealed to Jews and Christians in the holy scriptures that was given to them.

Now you're telling me that I'm not suppose to believe what scriptures reveal.

If you can think critically for a second, don't you see the position that the Koran puts you in?

If you can't, that's okay, I can.

It's called uncomfortable.

I simply have to ignore you

:mjlol:

How can you bring un-believers to Allah and not properly defend your faith?

You do Islam an injustice. May Allah have mercy on you and your lazy attempt to defend him when confronted with a challenge. Islam needs warriors not timid children.
 
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