I'm curious, why isn't homosexuality classified as a mental disorder?
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Using that logic Atheists are secretly religious.
Yes, and you're secretly atheist. I've never seen a religious poster fixated on atheism the way you are.
...and by your retarded logic, that ought to make Orbital Fetus even crazier than a gay person. Not only is he refusing to have children, but he's refusing to partake in this "normal physical function" even though it is more readily accessible to him than to a homosexual. How can this be? Isn't this function "normal?" He must be REALLY fukked in the head, right?
Also, you just admitted that homosexuals don't choose to be gay. So kudos for at least doing that.
I would like to see a response to this, OP.
...and by your retarded logic, that ought to make Orbital Fetus even crazier than a gay person. Not only is he refusing to have children, but he's refusing to partake in this "normal physical function" even though it is more readily accessible to him than to a homosexual. How can this be? Isn't this function "normal?" He must be REALLY fukked in the head, right?
Also, you just admitted that homosexuals don't choose to be gay. So kudos for at least doing that.
A logical decision that can at any time be reversed, is not considered a mental disorder. It's "RETARDED" I have to even explain that to you.
Vague.
It's not really that vague, breh. A disorder is a mental illness. Illness must impair your functioning and/or the functioning of others around you. Homosexuality does not fit that criteria. Homos don't suffer from homosexuality, nor do the people around them. That's just their sexual orientation.
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Yeah his fixation with atheists is pretty weird. I have randomly stumbled upon him whining in TLR about atheists in HL on several occasions. It's pretty clear he feels insecure because he can't logically defend his religious beliefs...or like you said, he's a repressed atheist lying to himself.
Then what about the function to procreate? A sexually deviant function that leaves them at a disadvantage to do the most basic of things, spread their genes?
Procreation isn't part of functioning, though. Many heterosexuals don't want children and still lead accomplished, satisfying lives. Let's not confuse biological tendencies with imperatives or worse, goals of life.
Basically these things can only be talked about as problems if they cause suffering/hinder people from achieving fulfilling lives.
Prove it.
You keep using the very vague term of "functioning."
You need to be more specific.
Stop bringing up heterosexuals that make conscious decisions. The two do not correlate so they are irrelevant.
I don't like this at all. You're just not being specific and using blanket terms for a lot of your argument.
"Fulfilling lives" is subjective.
Now I wish I never engaged you...you're just going to be arguing about semantics.
My original post was clean, cut, and followed a logical path to my reasoning. Yours on the other hand, does not, filled with vague usages of words and subjective aspirations.
Matter of fact. Here you go.
Function: 1. the natural action or intended purpose of a person or thing in a specific role t
MEDICAL, definition of disorder
- a derangement or abnormality of function; a morbid physical or mental state.
You can argue against the dictionary but it would prove fruitless.
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disorder - definition of disorder in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Function: 1. the natural action or intended purpose of a person or thing in a specific role t
MEDICAL, definition of disorder
- a derangement or abnormality of function; a morbid physical or mental state.
You can argue against the dictionary but it would prove fruitless.
Source:
Harper Collins Products
disorder - definition of disorder in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Maybe not a disorder, but definitely a peculiarity. 
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Well, psychology defines the concept of "impaired functioning" - as having more difficulty being a productive member of society.
For example, ADHD is a disorder because they have to struggle to keep themselves organized, a skill required in every day life. Major Depression is a disorder because during an episode they have difficulty interacting with people, leaving their house, and overall living their lives like people who are not depressed.
Homosexuals have just as much of an ability to be productive members of society as anyone else. Homosexuality is therefore not a disorder, the way psychology defines "disorder."
It's self-evident. Like I said, there are many people who never have children and lead successful lives. Are you going to try and convince them that their lack of desire to have children is a disorder? Really, the onus is on you to prove that procreation is necessary in order for someone to be deemed healthy, since you are the one arguing for something that is contrary to conventional appearance, which is that those people are fine.
Functioning is a subjective concept, because different people define it differently. For example, if you want children, but are biologically impaired by infertility, then your infertility is a problem that is preventing you from leading a fulfilling life. If you don't want children, then someone telling you your infertility needs to be cured isn't going to mean much to you because it's not a problem for you.
There are many heterosexuals who do not have the desire to have children. Desire is never a choice, so I'm not speaking of conscious decisions. They just don't feel the urge to do it. That correlates just fine with a homosexual who also doesn't want children.
Yes, it is. It has to be, because not everyone has the same definition of what a fulfilling life looks like, and not everyone should be made to follow a strict definition of what a fulfilling life looks like, unless you're a tyrant of some kind who believes in authoritarian government.
This topic requires an awareness of the subjective nature of the material. Also, your post wasn't strictly logical since you began with a number of unjustified assumptions that you need to prove before the rest of your argument can be valid.